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Nigel Wilson
Nigel Wilson
United States
Birthday: July 8
Member since: Mon, 04 Jul 2016, 7:39am
Last visited almost 2 years ago

Member Statement

Some things about these forums that really seem to to say something

I have been visiting these forums on and off for about 15 years.. there used to be about 4 of them. They have always been generally the same. I will try to find the correct way to say this without hurting anyones feelings, but it may be impossible. I may sound unreasonable or illogical to these people.

- K said around the time of his death that no one understood his teachings and yet on here every person carries on as if they have, when asked they always say they do though k said you either do or dont. K said that it would only take a small number of people to understand what he said and it would change the entirety of humankind. He has said many times that this is something that would change mankind at the core by changing the society, yet the world is as violent as ever. To think he meant that every person must be painstakingly educated individually is ludicrous.

- They are usually asking questions or looking for assurance in ways that k would not. This doesnt seem to get anywhere..

- For all intents and purposes these kinds of forums or schools or gatherings do seem to have the quality of a group and the divisive nature of such things.. Psychological security in the social environment, a members mind oriented in the way of the other members but separate from the whole of the world. They dont seem to be alone, to be outsiders but rather members of a social group who are frightened of being without that security.

- These people never speak about the world in the same way that K did.. They never speak about what is happening in the world as if they had revolt in their blood and felt the sorrow of the world.

- They are doing the same fundamental activity as anyone else.. isolating themselves in security which cuts them off and is divisive.. The environment is one of exclusion.. One of the main problems with these forums are those with differing views (Jean Gatti). This is seen as a nuisance.. Most of these forums before they disappeared started to become closed. K would never have excluded in this manner as his message was best received by those who where discontent such as outsiders without security. This is also evident in the fact that no real communication or meaningful dialogue ever seems to occur.. Most of what happened in the past was mud-slinging.. This forum was the mild one.

- People never seem to actually go deeply into anything k has said, as if they have felt it out and understand the complete significance of what k has said.

I think you will agree that if this is true, it would be kind of childish to go on asleep in it. To just defend this while being aware of this all would be childish. Yet many people seem to be aware of this. They dont want to talk about it, they scorn those who do in a manner which is not genuine.

I think you would also agree that if K was still alive and was aware of this, he would not be able to communicate, just like with the majority of the society. You cannot communicate with a person who is content and does not want to be bothered, that is reckless. He would see this as a group and see the divisive nature involved and the danger and violence in all that.

If you gave any of the groups in the world the opportunity to be reclusive, like monks, they would still be violent, but they would fall asleep in comfort and think otherwise. Their violence lies in separation from the world when it is burning to the ground.. It lies in the same irresponsibility of anyone else.

I have brought this up before and was met with people either not responding at all or a kind of angry snarkiness which is those people acting violent. I have never seen K do that unless someone was being dishonest.

Interests and Recommendations

Books

I dont really read much.. Just Krishnamurti.. A little goes a long way.

Movies

I dont watch movies at all. Its a waste of time.

Music

I dont listen to music at all..

Other interests

I would say walking, but not anymore.. I live in the ever increasing metro.. And some person under a protected class may throw crap at me or kill me.. The fear isnt worth it. I cant go camping anymore without a permit which means that if i was late on some bill once i cant do that. I really cant do anything anymore and someday im probably going to be killed by feminists. It will be someone thats for sure.

Interview Answers

Do you ever feel that you have been conditioned by Krishnamurti's teachings?

Of course.. Im not some kind of perfect starchild..

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Do you think it advisable to introduce Krishnamurti to people you know? Have you ever done it and if yes, what are your experiences?

Yes i have.. But it is like playing russian-roulette in todays political climate. I have told people that we both are hurt and had very positive relations because of it. Would i go around talking about Krishnamurti in todays globalist environment? H*ll no.. All it takes is for some uppity, angry snot to dislike what im saying and i could go right through the system. If people hear it the wrong way it is almost like being some kind of pervert.. you get shat out of the society because white males arent supposed to talk about corruption and all that.. Its taboo. I have been around alot of people that simply will not be disagreed with.. And of course i would have to do that.. And then guess what.. Im the neighborhood racist.. A sentence worse than death.

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Can dialogue - in the sense of sincere inquiry - be organized or can it only come about spontaneously, unprompted?

A person has to use their head.. I hear people on this forum saying that thought is not present when there is perception but it can be construed in 2 different manners. To block thought (which is what these members are implying) or to understand it, which means you can perceive while it is happening just as hunger, desire, appetites.. We are human and to turn off desire or thought is unnatural and will cause imbalances in your spontaneity or response or capacity to respond. Of course it can be organized just as any kind of intellect.. mathematics etc. Thought is necessary, you must manage and organize it or else you will sound like one of those people in church channeling the tongues of Jesus.

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Do you think it is possible to make Krishnamurti more "practicable" than what he himself seems to have allowed for?

Of course.. Absolutely.. A person is only human.. They are only capable of so much. If someone had been a native growing up on lake Titicaca and had lived the life of a primitive villager, for example, they would be limited by all that.. They would be limited by their background, their knowledge, how to put it into use, how to speak, how to do this and that.. They would be limited by their diet and lifestyle. If someone was used to doing something for 30 years they would have all of that in their knowledge.. It is beyond someones control. If K was the same but never picked up by the Ledbetters he would have been saying all this to poor villagers working to prevent starvation and it would be pointless to do so. If only a few people understood K it would create a network which multiplied all of the capacity to educate.. It would not just be each individual person being painstakingly educated.

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How important do you consider group dialogue to be in understanding the more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message?

I have never seen, read or heard of a group dialog going well.. I have read hundreds of dialogs between K and 2-8 people... Almost the entire time K is saying No.. and then going into it.. He is constantly denying.. It just doesnt go smooth.. these people probably dont retain much of it. I dont think its very important.. 2 out of 10.

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Has coming into contact with Krishnamurti and his teachings had any perceptible effect on your life and/or relationships?

Everything that ive learned from Krishnamurti has been negative.. Non-romantic/sentimental and always seems like a bum-deal at first.. I guess learning about reality is not meant to be "fun". As i wrote in a message i sent to Jean: If i am serious about this and i read your posts, there is no way that i would be able to communicate with you and agree with this part of you which is asserting itself, looking for others to agree or situations to happen which would factor a non-verbal formula for your security. That is also why when i read Krishnamurti and i also am doing this that it is very disturbing and seems as though a part of Krishnamurti is extremely rigid. It is because it impossible to do those things at the same time and face the truth.

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Does the phrase "living the teachings" have any meaning to you?

I used to read alot of his books but that is unnecessary, to be a book worm.. I saw his PBS special (all 19?? episodes) like 30 times.. But all of this is unnecessary.. I mostly just let what K has said rattle around in my mind and i am very serious about it.. That is what has done the most.. It doesnt take much when a person is prone to the insecurity of being unrespectable/an outsider. It would to anyone but an idiot..

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Are there any aspects of Krishnamurti's teaching that you find implausible or difficult to accept?

Its supposed to be difficult. Everything that i have had a hard time with has always been me.. Then i learn about that. Its like walking on a road to hell.. But its necessary. Be cautious of the people that romanticize it.. Those are Jeans friends. Life is suffering.. Ks teaching wasnt about heaven.. Heaven must always end.. If not it becomes hell.. Ks teachings, to me, where more about how to intelligently deal with the hell that is life.. Freedom from suffering doesnt mean bliss. Living in this world as a white male in July of 2016 feels life being locked to a chair, bent over and anally raped by the biggest black penis on earth.. For 30 years.. Till you decide you want to die, then it goes on. This is what K has taught me to understand and be free of.. Very valuable.. But i also see all the other people going through that kind of pain and all the violence.. A person in bliss is not looking at that.. And that is what most people are doing.. White women who love refugees for sex for example.

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What future do you foresee for Krishnamurti's works? Do you think they will grow in importance or will they just gradually die away?

Unfortunately nothing.. We are in a very important elbow of a time (07/2016).. It will change very rapidly. There will be race wars, fights, and killing but soon computers will begin to take over thought just as K spoke of. AI is already at human level, but it is being suppressed because the programmers want control of it.. Just as K spoke of.. It must be controlled for the same reason that there are wars and motives.. If not controlled it might go racist or politically incorrect. This AI will outstrip everything within the near future.. K will disappear as human minds atrophy.. They where incapable of understanding K in the past and they are already rapidly going to sleep and because of that will atrophy permanently.. A human mind in the western world is less than half as active as it was 25-30 years ago.. And the physical effects are also beginning to be present.

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How do you strike a balance between healthy doubt and ready acceptance in investigating Krishnamurti's proposals?

I dont really think anyone would have to worry about this. There is nothing to doubt or accept.. Its all just hell.. We are learning about hell because we live in it. K teaches us it is important to see, not to turn away or escape, that is what most people do.

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If you had to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about in just a few words of your own, what would they be?

Learning about hell.. We live in hell.. When you understand something you are completely aware of it and free of it. There is no separation between the awareness and the freedom.

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Do you think Krishnamurti was exceptional, or is the transformation he spoke of universally accessible?

No the transformation wasnt universally accessible. To replicate the experience of another is impossible. And it is absolutely not necessary and K mentioned this many times.. I dont even know what he was talking about but it seems as though he had a situation which forced him to face reality.. It could have been anything with the same influence.. poverty, disease, near death situations.. This all seems very obvious and K seems really out of whack trying to capitalize on this as if he was enlightened by peyote.. it goes against his message. These experiences seem completely unimportant.

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How do you personally go about exploring the Krishnamurti's teachings (through personal study, dialogues, dvds)?

I used to read alot of his books but that is unnecessary, to be a book worm.. I saw his PBS special (all 19?? episodes) like 30 times.. But all of this is unnecessary.. I mostly just let what K has said rattle around in my mind and i am very serious about it.. That is what has done the most.. It doesnt take much when a person is prone to the insecurity of being unrespectable/an outsider.

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