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The Precipice


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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #1
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

I was discussing this issue with Dan the other day on another thread and I think we both agreed it should be discussed on a thread of its own. "Mankind stands on a precipice", I think was the quote from K that Dan shared. "What will you do?", K asked his audience. I saw this shocking story on the news today from a town not too far from where my wife and myself live. What is our response to the insane state of our world? Below is a quote from the article. This involved 6th grade students...approximately 11 years old. The mother is demanding the school put video cameras on the school buses. A band aid response, but obviously better than no response at all. Her son could have been killed....by another 11 year old while other students cheered the attacker on. A member of my own family refused to take the school bus to middle school because some of the boys were so violent. She had to have a friend of the family drive her to and from school. All this is a manifestation of the conflict inherent in the human mind...the 'wrong turn' as K called it. What will we do faced with the fact of 'the precipice'.

From the article:
"...the incident happened Oct. 28 as her son was riding the bus home from school. Words were exchanged with another student, and her son was punched in the face and then choked on the floor of the bus, while other students took video of the incident on their phone, she alleges. "The other students on the bus are yelling 'fight, fight, fight' and then proceed to videotape my son getting choked. No one stepped in to help. The only reason the other child stopped choking my son because the bus had stopped at my son's bus stop," she said in an email to Patch."

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #2
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

It’s all too easy to say, “What does that have to do with me?” isn’t it? Those kids probably had bad parents...possibly no father around ...possibly living in a very poor area. But the same type of violence occurs in upper class areas too, doesn’t it? It’s violence and as long as I’m not free of violence, I’m part of it.

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #3
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

We've always been killers haven't we? First for food, then for protection, then for tribe, then country, then for honor, then out of anger, out of hatred, out of religious belief, out of racial and class belief, out of passion, for fun and enjoyment, etc. And now we can kill each other easily and in enormous numbers, and most likely, will. We're a society of killers.

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #4
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5417 posts in this forum Offline

Yes, one reads many horrendous “stories” in the news. Almost unbelievable sometimes. Except they are not “stories”, they are actually happening. And we are so constituted that we are more moved by them when they happen close at hand, down the street, to a friend or family member. At least I hope we are moved. But I think a major part of the crisis that we are facing is that for the most part we are not terribly moved, we do not feel things greatly – as was recently quoted from K in the thread “How to advise a young person”:

Have Strong Feelings, don't be frightened of them

I am travelling at the moment, visiting various people, talking, and I cannot help but see how each person is so tied up in their own lives, their own little affairs. Family is paramount. As if we could spin our own little cocoon of security around ourselves, around the family, and ignore the collapse of the world around us.

A friend of mine uses the phrase “creeping baseline”. Do you understand? “Little by little” things deteriorate, new limits are passed, new horrors creep into everyday events – Refugees drowning trying to cross the Mediterranean from Africa, hospitals, schools, being deliberately bombed, the use of torture by governments, mass shootings in schools, tens of millions of refugees created, mass surveillance, personal data gathering, the shameless open corruption and brutality of political leaders..... one could go on endlessly ....... and they very quickly become the norm, become ‘accepted’ and perhaps ‘acceptable’.

There is also the analogy of boiling a frog alive, unnoticed by the frog, as the temperature is gradually increased.

And as long as people are comfortable themselves, and their families, they very much turn a blind eye to the great suffering of others, and the fact the world is collapsing all around them. And collapsing it surely is, there is no question about this. It is observable in all facets of life, as exemplified in the example that you gave, Tom. That example also brings out the fact that technology is aiding the collapse, accelerating it, making us more and more insensitive. It is as if the more we know the less we care.

So yes, we surely are at a precipice. Many scientists are now telling us this (the ones that have not been gagged by politicians and the vested interests of corporations), especially in the matter of environmental destruction. It is absolutely insane what we are doing to the planet – but still it continues, accelerates even. And of course the ongoing decay is also clearly visible in politics, in social decay, in education, in financial instability, increasing inequality, increasing violence .....

K said the real deterioration is happening in the human mind. Would anyone here dispute that? I do not. But this is not generally admitted, if it was human energy would not be going into all the ‘band aid’ responses, such as you referred to, Tom.

So, here we are standing at the very edge of the human precipice. God knows what the world will be like in 20 years time. What is our response? K asked, decades ago “What will you do”, but I am not sure that is the right question. The question what ARE we doing perhaps deserves more our consideration?

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #5
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
K said the real deterioration is happening in the human mind. Would anyone here dispute that? I do not. But this is not generally admitted, if it was human energy would not be going into all the ‘band aid’ responses, such as you referred to, Tom.

I would say, Clive, that it’s almost never admitted. And that’s the tragedy. If we always assume it’s the Jews or Muslims or Mexicans or the greedy Capitalists or the Socialists, we’re doomed. No one will look into the cause in themselves. Well almost no one but the religious person who will look to the Bible or the church or the savior to save us....to save us from sin. I have some devout Christian friends who believe just that....that Jesus is the answer...prayer...reading the Bible....following the teaching of Jesus. The psychologist perhaps looks at the human mind, but does he ever investigate himself free of the authority of his academic training...free of the separate observer?

And as long as people are comfortable themselves, and their families, they very much turn a blind eye to the great suffering of others, and the fact the world is collapsing all around them

Absolutely so. I’ve observed that in my own family and circle of friends. Only when we ourselves suffer do we have any desire to investigate the deeper causes. Otherwise it’s business as usual. I observed this in the music and films from the WWII era. Singing and dancing and silly comedies while the Nazis were bombing the hell out of London and conquering and destroying much of Europe.

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #6
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
K said the real deterioration is happening in the human mind. Would anyone here dispute that? I do not. But this is not generally admitted, if it was human energy would not be going into all the ‘band aid’ responses, such as you referred to, Tom.

We have to be aware of the possibility that the "band aid" response is also what we are doing. Getting to the bottom of all this would to me mean the 'blossoming' of a human. The fulfillment would be in the setting of oneself "unconditionally free"...K. or no-one it turns out can do that for us, so who or what does that leave? The 'bottom' is 'scary' and you are all alone there. But unless that 'wall' of fear is broken through, not with effort, but with understanding and intelligence...but if one runs from it, (as we always have) it will continue to rule and then there can be no significant 'change'. Looked at in this way, the human species is the result of 'arrested development'. Arrested by fear?

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #7
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
Looked at in this way, the human species is the result of 'arrested development'. Arrested by fear?

Arrested by fear and encouraged to continue in its ways by pleasure.

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #8
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
no-one it turns out can do that for us, so who or what does that leave? The 'bottom' is 'scary' and you are all alone there.

“bottom “? Your last sentence is obviously fear/thought talking. And thinking about the problem seems to get one nowhere. Where does that leave us? Just questioning.

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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 #9
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
“bottom “? Your last sentence is obviously fear/thought talking.

Yes "bottom" is the 'word' that occurred to describe the 'place'...It's quite 'terrifying' to use another word but here's what I saw: that there is a 'mechanism'(another word) that is, to 'hold on' to something, to anything...and that is the point where you either do that and escape or the fear is seen through and it's over. It seemed to me all about thought, and all about not being in the present. Then the question arose, is it possible to 'be' in the present, or is it always just a facsimile of the past? Total psychological vulnerability, it seems is the only way. Anything held onto will become another chain.

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #10
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
here's what I saw:

Did you actually see this , or was it an intellectual understanding? The rest of what you wrote may or may not be true, but it’s thought...speculation...and will only lead to more fear....of not being able to achieve or arrive...or contradiction...most likely. Can one just accept that one doesn’t know and that thought being limited can never know an answer...a solution. Whatever will bring change obviously can’t come from limited, conditioned, thought. Thought can never lead one out of the prison...the prison thought itself created...is creating...can it?

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #11
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
What is our response? K asked, decades ago “What will you do”, but I am not sure that is the right question.

At this point Clive, as I see it, it's the only question.

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #12
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
Can one just accept that one doesn’t know...

Well obviously not or you or I would not continue to have opinions.

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #13
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
Did you actually see this , or was it an intellectual understanding?

Saw it, felt it, lived it...you should try it...but be ready to drop all your 'stuff'.

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #14
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
Saw it, felt it, lived it...you should try it...but be ready to drop all your 'stuff'.

No need to be defensive...I was only asking a question. Is anyone ever ready to drop anything? I tend to doubt it. But we may like to pretend. But it drops if it’s seen to be false.

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #15
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5417 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote #6:
We have to be aware of the possibility that the "band aid" response is also what we are doing

Perhaps any response of thought is a 'band aid' response. It is certainly a fragmented approach, and so partial response. Perhaps people would argue that a whole lot of partial responses add up to a complete, adequate response, that can solve all the problems of the human race, but it does not seem that way to me. Because any response of thought does not touch the fundamental problem, which is thought itself.

I think I will be continuing this line in a response to another post, below.

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #16
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5417 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
And thinking about the problem seems to get one nowhere. Where does that leave us? Just questioning.

Is it not this constant attempt to solve our problems using thought that is a major factor of the problems?

Realising that thinking gets us nowhere, doesn't "leave us" anywhere, I would say. I mean doesn't leave us in any static situation, does not imply any conclusion. Rather it "casts us adrift". It puts us on that voyage on an uncharted sea that K referred to.

But surely, realising that thought gets us nowhere (psychologically, spiritually, in terms of man's basic problems, it can help replace a punctured tyre) surely is just the breakthrough that we need? Because then we would stop trying uselessly to solve our problems WITH thought. Then all that energy, all that time, would be 'freed up' Then we would put our energy into quite a different dimension, no?

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #17
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
. Is anyone ever ready to drop anything?

Yes, we make small additions and subtractions but what I'm talking about is the 'base' on which we stand. (the precipice) What we are psychologically. That "bundle of memory and experience". That stays relatively 'intact', static and unless there is a change, we die in it. K. has said that at the moment of death one needs to "step over" I think that was the way he put it. And it seems to me that unless one has approached and investigated the intense panic and fear that arise in those moments when that 'core' of you is threatened and one is vulnerable, that it will be too late amid the 'shock' of the death of the body to 'remember' this 'stepping over'. Another way to say it is, that the 'dying' to oneself has to occur over and over whenever possible... as he said to someone who was complaining that they were physically dying: "I die everyday!". It can't be left until the physical death, that's too big a shock, it will be too late then. The 'stream' will just sweep us away. No?

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #18
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Dan: And it seems to me that unless one has approached and investigated the intense panic and fear that arise in those moments when that 'core' of you is threatened and one is vulnerable, that it will be too late amid the 'shock' of the death of the body to 'remember' this 'stepping over'.

It may be so, however unless that fear is actually present, one cannot investigate it. Well, one can, but only in thoughts about it. I mean, how often does one actually feel this core ‘you’/me being threatened?

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #19
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
Because then we would stop trying uselessly to solve our problems WITH thought. Then all that energy, all that time, would be 'freed up' Then we would put our energy into quite a different dimension, no?

It would free up energy that was tied up in a useless occupation, yes. However that doesn’t mean thought would cease in other areas. There may still be the irresistible pull of pleasure and desire. Or are you implying that the freed up energy would simply observe...observe the conflict or the confusion...the fear, craving ...or whatever problem is present? Then there is only the problem, not my thoughts and conclusions and beliefs about it. Then I can actually investigate?

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Fri, 15 Nov 2019 #20
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
It may be so, however unless that fear is actually present, one cannot investigate it. Well, one can, but only in thoughts about it. I mean, how often does one actually feel this core ‘you’/me being threatened?

No, thinking about it can not get to it.
I think as Clive related a while back, the fear is always there. It is 'covered' suppressed...You can go through a large part or maybe most of your life without it being exposed, without it erupting volcanically. That's the point of the civilization we're living in, isn't it: to figure out more and creative ways to keep it securely hidden, 'under wraps'? But the 'approach' that K. is talking about is one that effortlessly exposes the self to itself. The natural 'way' is to avoid the unpleasant and embrace the pleasant...and we see where that has led. When you're feeling 'blue' or 'off' or negative or sad or confused ,conflicted, etc., if there is is a 'staying with' those surface feelings they can lead 'deeper' in yourself to what underlies them. That's what called for here, I'd say, an understanding and negation of those deeper fears, pains, hurts, beliefs...isn't it? Otherwise, they will remain and persist. And keep the surface patterns locked into their grooves.

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #21
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5417 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:

Clive (originally): God knows what the world will be like in 20 years time. What is our response? K asked, decades ago “What will you do”, but I am not sure that is the right question. The question what ARE we doing perhaps deserves more our consideration?

Dan: At this point Clive, as I see it, it's the only question.

Let us look at this issue, Dan. I was suggesting “What will I do about the present world crisis” may not be a right question. What could be the answer to such a question? Something projected by thought, no? Some idea of what I should do? I am sure that you would agree that any answer would come from what is already known, and so would be limited.

Generally, if people seriously face this question – and I think there is value in the facing of the question – they might decide to work for Green Peace, help the poor, join some organisation of group like ‘Extinction Rebellion’, and so on. I am certainly not saying that people should not do such things, that is up to them. But will any such action in the world bring about significant change in human consciousness, human behaviour? Fundamentally? If not, the source of all the problems is not really touched, and problems will continue. There might be a few minor improvements/solutions (like attending to the ozone hole over Antarctica), but other problems continue, get worse, and new problems are being created ( as in the uncontrolled growth in new technology).

So is there any point in asking “What should I do in relation to all these human problems?” Well, there may be a point in asking, but can the asking actually produce any meaningful answer/solution?K suggests, and if we are serious I think we also see to some extent, that we are the world, and so are part of the problem. As such, can we be part of the solution? Or is the constant human attempt to solve problems really creating the problems? (perhaps because that attempt is made from isolation. From the assumption that we are different from the problem).

I am sure I am not saying anything that people on the forum ‘know’ all ready. But this is life and death stuff, and we need to go into it, at the greatest depth possible.

If we accept no effort of ours (ie thought) will really solve anything, then do we not find ourselves facing the question: “What am I actually doing, at the edge of this precipice? Am I not actually part of the problem?”

Then what?

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #22
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5417 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
The 'stream' will just sweep us away. No?

What you describe sometimes comes to me most forcibly, Dan. Dying (physically) while still attached to something or things in this earthly life may indeed create a terrible prison for us 'after death'. This is a scary prospect indeed - but apparently not enough to scare me out of my attachments.

I have an experience to share in relationship to this, but I do not thank that I will have enough leisure to do that this weekend.

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #23
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5417 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
Or are you implying that the freed up energy would simply observe...observe the conflict or the confusion...the fear, craving ...or whatever problem is present? Then there is only the problem, not my thoughts and conclusions and beliefs about it. Then I can actually investigate?

I had not thought it though to this extent, Tom, but what you say sounds true. Yes, to be faced with a problem without the distraction of trying to solve a problem does bring in a different energy, doesn't it?

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #24
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
Am I not actually part of the problem?”

We are the problem! Where else in nature do you see a 'problem'? The question for me is, are we, the 'problem' humans, acceptable (serving our purpose) in the 'scheme of things' at this point in time, but maybe in the future, expendable?

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #25
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
T: Then there is only the problem, not my thoughts and conclusions and beliefs about it. Then I can actually investigate?

C: I had not thought it though to this extent, Tom, but what you say sounds true. Yes, to be faced with a problem without the distraction of trying to solve a problem does bring in a different energy, doesn't it?

When we see the limitation of thought then there is only what is now....we don’t even call it a problem. The label is obviously only limited thought, which we agree can’t solve the problem because it’s divided from it.

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #26
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

This I found to be so concise, I thought that I would add it here. I seem to be the one bringing up 'being nothing' and it has met with some resistance. In the sense of" why speak of being nothing or "vast emptiness", etc., that's not where we are...This also ties in with the education we go through as children and learn this process of forming our 'psyche' through accumulation of memory:(bold is mine)

Brockwood Park, England | 2nd Conversation With Pupul Jayakar 1983

So I would like to come back to the question: all one's education, all one's past experience and knowledge is a movement in becoming, both inwardly, psychologically as well as outwardly. Becoming is the accumulation of memory. Right? More and more and more memories, which is called knowledge. Right? Now as long as that movement exists there is fear of being nothing. But when one really sees the insight of the fallacy, the illusion of becoming something, therefore that very perception, that insight to see that there is nothing, this becoming is endless time/thought and conflict, there is an ending of that. That is, the ending of the movement which is the psyche, which is time/thought. The ending of that is to be nothing. Right? Nothing then contains the whole universe - not my petty little fears and petty little anxieties and problems, and my sorrow with regard to, you know, a dozen things.

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #27
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
I seem to be the one bringing up 'being nothing' and it has met with some resistance. In the sense of" why speak of being nothing or "vast emptiness", etc., that's not where we are.

My point about the issue of 'being nothing' is that you can't approach it with a positive action....through an action of the 'me' who is NOT nothing. That's all. K.: "that insight ... this becoming is endless time/thought and conflict, there is an ending of that." So it's insight into what we are that leads to the ending of that....not trying to achieve 'vast emptiness' or being nothing.

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #28
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1578 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
So it's insight into what we are that leads to the ending of that....not trying to achieve 'vast emptiness' or being nothing.

There's no "achieving", or "approaching" what he is saying that we are, this 'nothing, or emptiness...Achieving psychologically is what he is saying is this "becoming", right? So there is nothing to achieve psychologically. The nothingness, emptiness is eternally 'there' but the fear of it (by the 'achiever'?) has created these memory structures or walls to protect from what we actually are: nothing. Why does the brain fear this image of 'nothing'?...Along this line it strikes me that this is really the difference between us and the rest of the animals around us, they don't accumulate memory. Only enough to survive. They don't 'achieve'. They function in the 'nowness' of the "vast emptiness". To your point that what's needed if we are to move out of this 'becoming' mode, is to see this accumulation/time/thought as it occurs. That it is the seeing of it (choicelessly with "integral awareness") ) as it takes place now, that can be the ending of that "movement". And 'choicelessly' because it doesn't matter the subject of the thought/time occurring, it is always more 'becoming'? More self-protection from the realization of our 'nothingness'?

Is this our deepest fear?...And if so, what a tragic folly that our most binding fear is of what we actually are.

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #29
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 2900 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
. And 'choicelessly' because it doesn't matter the subject of the thought/time occurring, it is always more 'becoming'?

Or resisting. Good point...need to look further at this later...time to start my work day.

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Sat, 16 Nov 2019 #30
Thumb_stringio Huguette . Canada 775 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
The nothingness, emptiness is eternally 'there' but the fear of it (by the 'achiever'?) has created these memory structures or walls to protect from what we actually are: nothing.

I don't agree, Dan. I realize that K perhaps has said things like, "I am nothing, we are nothing" (but I don't feel like researching it), but he also says "there is nothing", which to me is completely different. Saying "I am nothing" still retains the "I" and the "am" and then the "nothing" just becomes "something" that we are.

I also don't see it that it is the fear of nothing which has created the psychological fears. I think it was the fear of physical dangers which was transferred to the field of imagination as psychological fears of the "me".

I don't know if I'm being clear (and I could be wrong).

The brain, whatever part it is, is conditioned by time and thought, time-thought. As long as that conditioning remains, insight is not possible. You may have occasional insight into something, but pure insight, which means comprehension of the totality of things - yes, I'll use the word 'totality', not wholeness because that word is now being used so much - it is the perception of completeness. Right? That insight is not of time-thought. Therefore that insight is part of that brain which is in a different dimension.
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So the question is: can that limitation [Huguette: the limitation being time/thought, i.e. self] ever end? Or is man conditioned for ever to live within the time-thought area?

I thought there was something in me, or in the brain, or in somewhere, which is timeless, which is god, which is this, which is that, and that if I could only reach that everything would be right.

If the structure of time and thought ends the now has totally a different meaning. The now then is nothing. I mean, when we use the word 'nothing', zero contains all the figures. Right? So nothing contains all. But we are afraid to be nothing [Huguette: oops, there it is: "we are afraid to be nothing"].

Now if I have an insight into that, there is nothing. I don't exist.

https://jkrishnamurti.org/content/why-are-we-fr...

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