Sun, 08 Jan 2017 | #1 |
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where does the impression of myself come from? Just a few observations (Perhaps even facts). One has to be thinking to be aware that one is thinking,without thought there is no thinking.without thinking there is no impression of my self. So the self is thought dependent.no thought no I. It is the form that thought constructs,not all thought is bad,that brings about the self. When thought is used in the form that gives the impression that I am having a conversation,call it talking to ones self,then the self emerges. In my opinion,I think,etc are the consequence of the conversational identity activity of thought. Conversation can just become synchronised self perpetuation. Ok well if you want to continue deluding yourself in the belief that you exist,fair enough,we all have a choice to be or not to be. The problems arise when one takes ones self seriously. If one has a self image then one has to sustain it,there is a constant need for reassurance,the need to receive approval,but the consequence of a self image is the fear of disapproval. I am a figment of my and your imagination |
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Sun, 08 Jan 2017 | #2 |
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A choice, David? Not too sure about that. A choice implies a chooser, no? Thought, emotion, arises. Who chooses to accept or reject? It's there. One is already conditioned. One can't pretend one is not, when he is. The QOTD:
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Sun, 08 Jan 2017 | #3 |
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Absolutely. When you're a kid and someone calls you an idiot, you think/feel that, yes, you are this thing called an idiot. We don't see that 'idiot' is just a word...an image, idea. We think it's something that I am. Same when your teacher in school says you're good or bad(you misbehaved). You may feel that this bad is something you are....a thing. "I am bad" is a terrible kind of identity, no? But the small child takes this kind of image to be a reality. And most adults retain these kind of self images in the unconscious. "I am great"...."I am special", etc. The positive images can be just as dangerous. Let it Be |
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Mon, 09 Jan 2017 | #4 |
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Morning Tom,
I am a figment of my and your imagination |
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Mon, 09 Jan 2017 | #5 |
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'What if' is thinking!
How did you arrive at the above? By thinking logically, right?
What is the energizing factor? Can you say?
I was never too clear what K. meant, but awareness of 'what actually is' is how I'm understanding it. Even awareness of thought....emotion...conflict....without trying(choosing) to act upon it. Tricky, because thought immediately acts upon thought or emotion with a 'I must not (think that way...feel that way...be that way)'. Can we start with what is, David? I wake up in the morning and immediately thinking starts. There's unresolved issues at work....an unresolved conflict with my wife...worry about my child, etc. It may have even started before I wake with an anxious dream in the very early morning. All that is 'what is'. Do you say that one 'chose' those thoughts and emotions? Who is that 'one' but another thought/image? Let it Be This post was last updated by Tom Paine Mon, 09 Jan 2017. |
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Mon, 09 Jan 2017 | #6 |
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Hi Tom,
I am a figment of my and your imagination |
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Mon, 09 Jan 2017 | #7 |
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He did? I'm not aware of that.
That would be more thought ...speculation. Enquiry is thinking about it, no?
You totally lose me here, I'm afraid. Perhaps others may have some insight into this point. It's Greek to me, I must say.
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