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Thu, 20 Sep 2018 #1
Thumb_avatar Peter Kesting United States 1201 posts in this forum Offline

K: "Verbally we are aware that there is a catastrophe" quote of the day

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Thu, 20 Sep 2018 #2
Thumb_avatar Peter Kesting United States 1201 posts in this forum Offline

"Although extinction is a natural phenomenon, it occurs at a natural “background” rate of about one to five species per year. Scientists estimate we're now losing species at 1,000 to 10,000 times the background rate, with literally dozens going extinct every day."

"How many species go extinct each year?
Scientists estimate that 150-200 species of plant, insect, bird and mammal become extinct every 24 hours. This is nearly 1,000 times the “natural” or “background” rate and, say many biologists is greater than anything the world has experienced since the vanishing of the dinosaurs nearly 65m years ago. Aug 17, 2010"

I believe that there are more than 5000 Hydrogen bombs in the arsenals of the world. Each one 1000 times as powerful as the Hiroshima bomb. If one of these is fired it is suggested that rapid retaliatory strikes could automatically result in expending most of the rest.

In light of the fact that an asteroid impact wiped out the dinosaurs are we to believe that the universe cares about any of this?

Human beings ought to be the ones undergoing extinction. We are the ones destroying the planet. Those who are responsible caring human beings could rightly have no offspring. That would be an intentional individual voluntary action. We must stop having too many babies. We need to do that as quickly as possible. Presently, the human population doubles every 50 years. All kinds of horrors result.

Is a movement towards there being fewer of us doable?

Or is it that it just doesn't matter?

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Thu, 20 Sep 2018 #3
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1281 posts in this forum Offline

Peter Kesting wrote:
We must stop having too many babies as quickly as possible.

Well for myself Peter, I'm done...but I don't imagine it will go over very well to tell others to stop or even slow down. Chinese gov. tried it for a while but I think that's over, isn't it? As to whether it "matters"? Maybe not in the grand scale of things but if an abundance of life-forms are 'necessary' here (for Cosmic reasons?), I think nature will get her way, with us or without us.

Thinking more about this: Are we necessary? Maybe. As an experiment in consciousness? As the other species are experiments in other attributes? Our brain may have gone 'astray' at a certain point in its development and the killing, torture, misery, ignorance,etc. took place. Did it have to go that way? Who knows? But it did it seems. So we're here listening to K. (and others) who is saying that it was a "wrong turn" and that it can be 'straightened out'. Things are bad, as your topic is alluding to, but we don't 'know' the whole story here, not enough to justify total pessimism as regards the future here.

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Thu, 20 Sep 2018 #4
Thumb_001 Sean Hen Spain 693 posts in this forum Offline

In the United States:

If undeveloped countries consumed at the same rate as the US, four complete planets the size of the Earth would be required. People who think that they have a right to such a life are quite mistaken.

Americans constitute 5% of the world's population but consume 24% of the world's energy.

On average, one American consumes as much energy as

2 Japanese

6 Mexicans

13 Chinese

31 Indians

128 Bangladeshis

307 Tanzanians

370 Ethiopians

Source: Paul Ehrlich and the Population Bomb

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #5
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

Sean, your above post is very interesting and very relevant and, unfortunately, very true. I read Ehrlich's book when it first came out but I had forgotten the numbers.

Also you might add that the US is financing and otherwise providing material and other forms of support for most, if not all, of the wars in the world. The US is dedicated to a wasteful and exploitive economic system called capitalism, as I am sure you know. I once came upon this definition of Capitalism: The psychopathic idea that some people are more entitled to food, water and shelter than others.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #6
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

Peter, thank you for bringing up this very important topic. There are two very good books out both entitled: The Sixth Extinction that I know of. One by Elizabeth Kolbert, a staff writer of The New Yorker, and the other by Richard Leakey the son of the famous anthropology couple Louis B and Mary Leakey. The couple who discovered pre homo sapiens fossils in the Olduvai Gorge in the East African Rift system.

We are, indeed, screwed and most certainly on the path to extinction. This time not as a result of a meteorite hitting off the coast of the Yucatan Peninsula but due to our own human excesses. Homo sapiens do seem to be a dead end, a failed experiment.

Recently I read in either The Ending of Time or The Limits of Thought, dialogues between K and Dr Bohm, something very interesting. I'm still trying to find it so I can give a citation and quote exactly what was said. Basically Dr Bohm asked K if it was too late for Man to save himself through K's discoveries and K replied that it was. Bohm then asked then why spend time talking about and spreading his, K's, discoveries? K replied: "Because it's the right thing to do".

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #7
Thumb_screenshot_20180710-010635 Myself Only United States 523 posts in this forum Offline

Peter Kesting wrote:
K: "Verbally we are aware that there is a catastrophe" quote of the day

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If you read the rest of that passage, k explains how each one of us is responsible for this catastrophe . Being confused we create a world that is also confused. The world is the extension of our inner confusion.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #8
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 1186 posts in this forum Offline

another disturbing factor is that it seems we are the only factor who keep not only the weakest alive but let them reproduce as well and that in a world who already is overcrowded.

in nature we observe that only the healthy are alowed to reproduce.

am i responsible or do i realy understand the catastrophe which is going around us. the first is pointing to guild en the second to being serious to not adding any confusion in the current situation.

Madras, India. | Public Talk 22nd October 1947 (QOFTD YESTERDAY)

So it seems to me that it is very important that we,
every one of us should understand the catastrophe that is around us.
 
Verbally we are aware that there is a catastrophe.
 We read about it in the newspapers, in the magazines.

Truth will unfold itself for those who enquire their own actions and only to them and for them and to or for no one else.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #9
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 1186 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
Recently I read in either The Ending of Time or The Limits of Thought, dialogues between K and Dr Bohm, something very interesting. I'm still trying to find it so I can give a citation and quote exactly what was said. Basically Dr Bohm asked K if it was too late for Man to save himself through K's discoveries and K replied that it was. Bohm then asked then why spend time talking about and spreading his, K's, discoveries? K replied: "Because it's the right thing to do".

Jack you are looking in the wrong books it is in the future of humanity !

Krishnamurti: Wait a minute. That is the whole point. It might, which means in the future.

Bohm: Yes, it would take time to discover all this.

Krishnamurti: In the meantime man is going to destroy himself.

Bohm: They might hope that he will manage to discover it in time. They could also criticize what we are doing, saying what good can it do? You see, it doesn't seem to affect anybody, and certainly not in time to make a big difference.

Krishnamurti: We two are very clear about it. In what way does it affect humanity?

Bohm: Will it really affect mankind in time to save...

Krishnamurti: Obviously not.

Bohm: Then why should we be doing it?

Krishnamurti: Because this is the right thing to do. Independently. It has nothing to do with reward and punishment,

Bohm: Nor with goals. We do the right thing even though we don't know what the outcome will be?

Krishnamurti: That's right.

Bohm: Are you saying there is no other way?

Truth will unfold itself for those who enquire their own actions and only to them and for them and to or for no one else.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #10
Thumb_screenshot_20180710-010635 Myself Only United States 523 posts in this forum Offline

Wim Opdam wrote:
K: "Verbally we are aware that there is a catastrophe" quote of the day.

Can you give the exact citation of that quote? I can't find it any more.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #11
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 1186 posts in this forum Offline

Goodman B wrote:

Wim Opdam wrote:

K: "Verbally we are aware that there is a catastrophe" quote of the day.

Can you give the exact citation of that quote? I can't find it any more.

Yes that happens when one read not on the lines but between ;-)

First of all, put your reading glasses on (if you are old enough)

Secondly, read the first line of the highlighted quote, there is the information where you can find the original lecture !

Another road to go is: putting your mouse ( or finger if you work on a tuchscreen) on the current QOTD then on the right of the screen you scroll completely down and find under 'Search Quotes of the Day' an empty field , type there your name in, oh sorry 'catastrophe' without the two ' ' and than push the button 'submit' and you get the quote pointed to under number 12.

Do you understand ??

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #12
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

Wim Opdam wrote:
Jack you are looking in the wrong books it is in the future of humanity !

Yes Wim, this is exactly the quote I was referring to. Thank you very much. You're a gentleman and a scholar.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 #13
Thumb_screenshot_20180710-010635 Myself Only United States 523 posts in this forum Offline

Peter Kesting wrote:
K: "Verbally we are aware that there is a catastrophe" quote of the day.

Can you kindly post the exact citation of that line. I can't find it. Wim is giving too much instructions. I can't find it.

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #14
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 1186 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
Yes Wim, this is exactly the quote I was referring to. Thank you very much.

No thanks it all,

actually I'm sure that 'the I' had nothing to do with it.
Oddly enough, at the same time as reading, I felt that they were not those books and intuitively took hold of "The future of Humanity" and to my own surprise it was found within 5 minutes.

Truth will unfold itself for those who enquire their own actions and only to them and for them and to or for no one else.

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #15
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

So here we are. The Sixth Extinction is well on it's way, global climate change is a fact that is repeatedly being demonstrated through extreme weather events. Then there is the fact that K seems to feel that what he has pointed out about Man's activity and lack of understanding of himself is not going to change Man in time to save us.

After the last great extinction, 65 million years ago, nearly all life was destroyed in the aftermath of a meteor strike off of the Yucatan Peninsula. Of the very few mammals that survived there was a small shrew-like animal. Anthropologists, and other interested scientists, believe homo sapiens eventually evolved from this animal.

Sixty five million years is not a very long time geologically. The earth is thought to be about 4.5 billion years old and life, beginning with one celled life forms, first appeared about 600 million years ago. So in the last six tenths of a billion years life rose up against incredible odds. For life to begin environmental conditions have to be just right for organic molecules to form and survive. It is believed that it probably took two billion years of failed attempts for this to occur. At least this is what Richard Leakey wrote in his book The Sixth Extinction.

And then we have a psychopath with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old in control of hydrogen bombs and the most powerful military on earth. A person who mental health experts believe is rapidly deteriorating mentally.

What does one do now? Or is this a wrong question?

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #16
Thumb_stringio Daniel Paul. Ireland 100 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhSun9_SYs&t

New Graham Hancock the Evidence Mainstream Archaeology Does Not Want You to See

Dan ...........

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #17
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

So Dan your response is to reference an acclaimed pseudo scientist which has, basically, no relevancy to what I posted or the subject of extinction at all that I can see. Or did you mean this as a response to what this thread is about? What was the purpose of putting your post up? This is part of why mankind is in such deep trouble. There doesn't seem to be any cohesive, rational response to the problems we are facing.

See below the Wikipedia summation of Graham Hancock:

Graham Hancock (/?hænk?k/; born 2 August 1950) is a British author and reporter. Hancock specialises in pseudoscientific theories[1] involving ancient civilisations, stone monuments or megaliths, altered states of consciousness, ancient myths, and astronomical or astrological data from the past.

One theme of his works proposes a connection with a 'mother culture' from which he believes other ancient civilisations sprang.[2] An example of pseudoarchaeology, his work has neither been peer reviewed nor published in academic journals

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #18
Thumb_stringio Daniel Paul. Ireland 100 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugm3s0PSfW4&t=

Robert Schoch: The Real Age of the Sphinx & the Future of the Planet

Robert is a close friend of graham Hancock

https://www.robertschoch.com/about.html

Dr. Robert M. Schoch, a full-time faculty member at the College of General Studies at Boston University since 1984, and a recipient of its Peyton Richter Award for interdisciplinary teaching, earned his Ph.D. in Geology and Geophysics at Yale University in 1983. He also holds an M.S. and M.Phil. in Geology and Geophysics from Yale, as well as degrees in Anthropology (B.A.) and Geology (B.S.) from George Washington University. In recognition of his research into ancient civilizations, Dr. Schoch was awarded (in 2014) the title of Honorary Professor of the Nikola Vaptsarov Naval Academy in Varna, Bulgaria. In 2017, the College of General Studies at Boston University named him Director of its Institute for the Study of the Origins of Civilization (ISOC).

In the early 1990s, Dr. Schoch stunned the world with his revolutionary research that recast the date of the Great Sphinx of Egypt to a period thousands of years earlier than its standard attribution. In demonstrating that the leonine monument has been heavily eroded by water despite the fact that its location on the edge of the Sahara has endured hyper-arid climactic conditions for the past 5,000 years, Dr. Schoch revealed to the world that mankind’s history is greater and older than previously believed. Dr. Schoch’s research, put forth in his book Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future (2012), points to the astronomical cause of the demise of antediluvian civilization, as well as the scientific and archaeological evidence that supports his conclusions.

there are more and more PhD loonies all PhD in their field, published scientific mentioning the lies we are told to keep us even blinder, well if possible at all to be blinder, I think that globally we have reach the " top of the whole "...and still going forward ....

Dan ...........

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #19
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

Daniel Paul. wrote:
there are more and more PhD loonies all PhD in their field, published scientific mentioning the lies we are told to keep us even blinder, well if possible at all to be blinder, I think that globally we have reach the " top of the whole "...and still going forward ....

Oh Jaysus! A conspiracy theorist. Do you really think that the mainstream archeologists and geologists are out to pull the wool over everyone's eyes? For what purpose? Do you also wear aluminum foil inside your hat?

Do you wonder at all why this first guy you mentioned, Graham Hancock, has no credibility with mainstream scientists? Oh yeah, that's right. The scientists are trying to pull something over on us. Isn't there a dedicated forum you can get on and trade information with other paranoid conspiracists? I am pretty sure this isn't the right forum to bring out this pseudo-scientific junk. David Bohm is probably rolling over in his grave.

People not working together is one reason why nothing gets done. Another reason is people who refuse, despite the evidence, to see what the problem is are the two main reasons we are going up in smoke. Let me guess. You didn't go too far in school, right?

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #20
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

Daniel Paul. wrote:
there are more and more PhD loonies all PhD in their field, published scientific mentioning the lies we are told to keep us even blinder, well if possible at all to be blinder, I think that globally we have reach the " top of the whole "...and still going forward ....

And this guy is just another one. Here is an abbreviated peer review of Robert Schock.

Response from academics[edit]

Mark Lehner, an archaeologist and expert on the Sphinx, has criticized Schoch's claims, stating, "You don't overthrow Egyptian history based on one phenomenon like a weathering profile... that is how pseudoscience is done, not real science."[15]

Geologist/geophysicist Robert Schneiker gave a presentation for the "Wednesday Nite @ The Lab" series of lectures of the University of Wisconsin - Madison on 2017.11.01 titled: "The Great Sphinx, From the Eocene to the Anthropocene"[16].
His presentation contradicts the findings of Robert Schoch. Based on geologic and geotechnical evidence he concludes that the age of the Sphinx is 4500 yrs and therefore the conventional archeological view is right.

Historian Ronald H. Fritze has described Schoch as a "pseudohistorical and pseudoscientific writer".[17]

Schoch has been criticized for his unorthodox ideas that Göbekli Tepe, an ancient civilization revealed in an archeological site in present-day Turkey, was influenced by a solar event that may have been witnessed at Easter Island in the Pacific west of South America. Author Jason Colavito suggested he "abandons all reality in favor of a bizarre fantasy

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #21
Thumb_stringio Daniel Paul. Ireland 100 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNmkokeRmPc

https://sacredgeometryinternational.com/randall...

by the way my IQ is 148...and who cares ? not me.....

well this is my last post on this site, poor k :-((

Dan ...........

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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 #22
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

Daniel Paul. wrote:
poor k :-((

Poor K indeed. As far as I know K, himself, never referenced pseudo-science in support of his discoveries. Dr David Bohm worked with Einstein and Einstein, himself, considered Dr Bohm his possible successor. Bohn was considered one of the, if not the, foremost quantum physicist in the world at the time of his death in 1992. So why "poor K"? I'm sorry you left Dan. It's OK to disagree.

I'm sure you have heard of the Scientific Method:

Steps of the Scientific Method

•Make an Observation. Scientists are naturally curious about the world. ...
•Form a Question. After making an interesting observation, a scientific mind itches to find out more about it. ...
•Form a Hypothesis. ...
•Conduct an Experiment. ...
•Analyse the Data and Draw a Conclusion.

What is not included in the above method and it should be is peer review. Others in your field have to go over the collected data, experiment with it, if that is appropriate or possible, and see if they arrive at the same results. This can be a long and pains taking process. Was this done with the data the people you presented? It doesn't appear that it was from the reviews.

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Sun, 23 Sep 2018 #23
Thumb_avatar idiot ? United States 376 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
As far as I know K, himself, never referenced pseudo-science in support of his discoveries.

K was raised in pseudoscience, namely Theosophy. Given that, it's remarkable how free of pseudoscience K's primary teachings are. They really do seem free of the past.

Yet in personal interactions, he still seemed convinced of telepathy, spiritual healing, possibly the existence of the Theosophical masters, and various superstitions we discussed in a previous thread, all of which could be considered pseudoscientific. Or at least these would be questioned by skeptical, critical thinkers.

The public persona of K in books, videos, dialogues, etc. seems sensible, free of pseudoscience, and very deep and meaningful. The private persona of K sometimes seems concerned with a kind of reality not confirmable with scientific rigor.

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Sun, 23 Sep 2018 #24
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

idiot ? wrote:
K was raised in pseudoscience, namely Theosophy. Given that, it's remarkable how free of pseudoscience K's primary teachings are. They really do seem free of the past.

You do understand that K points out that we are all conditioned by basically everything but that this conditioning can be, and must be, dropped? It seems clear, therefore, that K himself had dropped his conditioning, had no personal history. Therefore whatever he learned, or was conditioned by what the Theosophists taught or believed in was no longer a part of "K". So does it matter who raised him or what he was taught if it was no longer a part of who he was?

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Sun, 23 Sep 2018 #25
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

I have been conditioned by the traditional sources including a public education from first grade through a master's degree in hydrogeology. And I am still pretty much conditioned except that I no longer buy the religion and nationality junk.

But being a geologist and being married to a anthropologist I felt the need to debunk the videos that Daniel Paul put on here yesterday. I'm sorry he left but the small amount of the videos I could stomach to watch I deemed to be mistaken based on my own and my wife's studies and experience.

Is there any chance we could get back to discussing extinction and/or how you feel about the apparent fact that K saw that what he had discovered was "too late" to save mankind from the inevitable destruction of not only mankind but life in general?

If you accept this apparent fact how does it change, or does it change, the way you perceive what K discovered and shared with the world?

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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 #26
Thumb_avatar idiot ? United States 376 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
It seems clear, therefore, that K himself had dropped his conditioning, had no personal history.

Why assume this? K said that "the speaker is unimportant" and that you can never really know who he was. He also said not to make him or anyone else into a guru. So why think that he was completely free of conditioning and without personal history?

He certainly retained language, which is learned by conditioning. He must have retained other practical skills in order to live.

What does it really mean to be free of conditioning? And if we are not, can we truly answer?

And if we are not free of conditioning and therefore don't understand first hand what it means, how can we judge if someone else is?

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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 #27
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1281 posts in this forum Offline

idiot ? wrote:
What does it really mean to be free of conditioning?

The 'self' can only theorize. The 'self' is the past. Our 'conditioning' is to meet the world with the eyes of the past. So we never truly meet the immediate 'now'. We 'perceive' the world through the past so the perception is never 'direct'. And we live with that and 'make the best of it'. He comes along and says that pure perception is possible and then he goes away. No method, no 'Way'. But the key, he says, is in "Listening"... but not through the past and "looking"...but without the word. You can read the (John R. edited) K dialogue, cca 1981 in today's Experimenters Corner.

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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 #28
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

idiot ? wrote:
Why assume this? K said that "the speaker is unimportant" and that you can never really know who he was.

Why assume that K was not conditioned? And to clear up another statement you made, of course everyone is conditioned physically to be able to function in life. We are talking about psychological conditioning. Let's be clear, please. The distinction between physical and psychological conditioning was made frequently in the dialogues between K and Dr Bohm and elsewhere in K's writing. I guess you haven't read those dialogues yet. I would recommend them.

idiot ? wrote:
What does it really mean to be free of conditioning? And if we are not, can we truly answer?

Yes, I think we can answer that question. Once again, in the dialogues with Dr Bohm this question was raised and answered many times. Please read it for yourself. I think K and Dr Bohm do a much better job of explaining than I would here. I refer you to the books: ENDING OF TIME, FUTURE OF HUMANITY, and LIMITS OF THOUGHT.

idiot ? wrote:
And if we are not free of conditioning and therefore don't understand first hand what it means, how can we judge if someone else is?

Well then, why did you assume above that K was probably still influenced by his time with the Theosophists? You don understand that K completely ended, broke away, split from the Theosophists when he was a young man?

I think you're making it too complicated. Why not read the books listed above with these questions of yours in mind and see if you can find an answer? May I suggest you spend less time reading gossip about K written by others and more time actually reading what K was pointing out first hand?

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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 #29
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 5217 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
The 'self' can only theorize. The 'self' is the past. Our 'conditioning' is to meet the world with the eyes of the past. So we never truly meet the immediate 'now'.

Very succinctly and clearly put, Dan.

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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 #30
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 1186 posts in this forum Offline

Hi All

why is everyone around me so nervous?
why am I not nervous?
not even for the reason why they are nervous !

I will go to the hospital tomorrow and hand me over to the specialists
who will perform a heart operation
where the probability of success is 95% and the probability of death approaching 0%.

I can see that I am safer there than if I cross the street or going to by taxi.

A nice example of superfluous nervousness!

Truth will unfold itself for those who enquire their own actions and only to them and for them and to or for no one else.

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