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Sat, 25 Aug 2018 #181
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Forget the self- center thing , it is thought revolving about itself .

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #182
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Paul Dimmock wrote:
I am not talking about selfishness. I am starting much closer: I am selfish. Whatever I do from a self-centred perspective, I am going to get hurt or I am going to hurt another. That's all. That's the starting point.

What is the point of doing that?
Stop the hurting. Don't say that it is impossible to stop hurting. It is easy not to hurt unless one is ill with sadism.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #183
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Goodman B wrote:
Stop the hurting. Don't say that it is impossible to stop hurting. It is easy not to hurt unless one is ill with sadism.

I am pretty sure the word you wanted here is masochism. Do you own a dictionary?

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #184
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Jack Pine wrote:

Goodman B wrote:

Stop the hurting. Don't say that it is impossible to stop hurting. It is easy not to hurt unless one is ill with sadism.

I am pretty sure the word you wanted here is masochism. Do you own a dictionary?

Sadism is a type of behavior in which a person obtains pleasure from hurting other people and making them suffer physically or mentally.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #185
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Jack Pine wrote:

Goodman B wrote:

Stop the hurting. Don't say that it is impossible to stop hurting. It is easy not to hurt unless one is ill with sadism.

I am pretty sure the word you wanted here is masochism. Do you own a dictionary?

Sadism is a type of behavior in which a person obtains pleasure from hurting other people and making them suffer physically or mentally.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #186
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Jack Pine wrote:

Goodman B wrote:

Stop the hurting. Don't say that it is impossible to stop hurting. It is easy not to hurt unless one is ill with sadism.

I am pretty sure the word you wanted here is masochism. Do you own a dictionary?

Sadism is a type of behavior in which a person obtains pleasure from hurting other people and making them suffer physically or mentally.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #187
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Goodman B wrote:
Goodman B: Is selfishness a fact or is it an image? An image is never a fact. It is an abstraction. We can only investigate into a fact. As soon as you look or investigate into an image it is already wiped out.

Actually it is a fact that we make images of nearly everything. We do have images of things. And we can, of course, investigate these images. Images of our self as well as images about anything else.

You are trying to lay down all these rules about what you can and cannot do but they are meaningless and limiting.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #188
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Goodman B wrote:
Sadism is a type of behavior in which a person obtains pleasure from hurting other people and making them suffer physically or mentally.

Yes but your post was referring to Paul's post in which he referred to his own "hurting" too. Please try to stay up with the conversation.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #189
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Jack Pine wrote:
You are trying to lay down all these rules about what you can and cannot do but they are meaningless.

You are nuts. :-)

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #190
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Jack Pine wrote:
You are trying to lay down all these rules about what you can and cannot do but they are meaningless.

You are nuts. :-)

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #191
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I'm nut's? Why are you multiple posting the same message? And is calling someone "nuts" the best you can do by way of a response? You are so sure you know what you are talking about but what comes out is gibberish.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #192
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You are nuts and have a few other nuts supporting you . That is a fact.:-)

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #193
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I know what you are doing, you try to make this site as boring as your mind is. And that is a fact.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #194
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Goodman B: What is the point of doing that? Stop the hurting. Don't say that it is impossible to stop hurting. It is easy not to hurt unless one is ill with sadism.

Why are you immediately translating everything I am saying into your own version and looking at it from your own perspective? You cannot stop hurting people just by an act of will. If you could, you wouldn't call someone 'nuts' even though they may be nuts. Do you follow what I mean? The moment you say to another person, 'I know you,' or, 'I know what you are doing,' you have effectively killed them. All you know of them is the image of them as it engages and clashes with your own self-image.

I know one thing about myself, which is more than enough self-knowledge: I am selfish. I start there. You don't, so we can't journey together.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #195
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Paul Dimmock wrote:
You cannot stop hurting people just by an act of will. If you could, you wouldn't call someone 'nuts' even though they may be nuts.

Why is that? If you act naughty no one should point that out to you? Is that how we should be? Conformists who repeat things without understanding them?
Every word and every statement that you make has an answer in words and statements. That is a law. So if you try to hurt with words and make false statements you will get hurt equally. That is a law.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #196
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Goodman B wrote:
Why is that? If you act naughty no one should point that out to you? Is that how we should be? Conformists who repeat things without understanding them?
Every word and every statement that you make has an answer in words and statements. That is a law. So if you try to hurt with words and make false statements you will get hurt equally. That is a law.

What you consistently fail to understand is that everything you write here, all the ridiculous "rules" that you invent as a product of your own confused thinking are just a response to your own conditioning; your beliefs. Take, for example, your "laws" as stated above. They are just images, beliefs, thoughts that are rooted in your conditioning.

Have you ever tried to "see" something without coming to immediate conclusions about what you are seeing? Your conclusions are images, the past, because they are based on thought which is the past.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #197
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You don't understand what is written so there is no point discussing anything with someone who makes things up as he reads . I have not heard a statement from you which is not merely a reaction to others. Apparently conflict gives you a sense of being . Try to say something related to the blogs instead of attacking Idiot and others. And your image that you think is a fact maybe the cause of your conflicts with others here. Be that way and hide behind Krishnamurti and get nowhere..

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #198
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Goodman B wrote:
Try to say something related to the blogs instead of attacking Idiot and others.

First of all this is not a blog. It's a discussion forum. Secondly, I will stop pointing things out to you when you stop talking gibberish, when you stop proclaiming delusional "laws" and "facts". K rejected those who proclaimed to be an authority on anything and most particularly on what he was pointing out. Both, of which, you continuously do on this forum.

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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 #199
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Jack Pine wrote:
K rejected those who proclaimed to be an authority

Apparently you are caught in the authority thing and try to act as a moderator .
Ignorance can't be hidden behind K.:)

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Mon, 27 Aug 2018 #200
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Goodman B wrote:
Apparently you are caught in the authority thing and try to act as a moderator .
Ignorance can't be hidden behind K.:)

Have you ever noticed how you accuse others of doing exactly what you are doing? It's pretty blatant but not surprising.

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Mon, 27 Aug 2018 #201
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Goodman B: Why is that? If you act naughty no one should point that out to you? Is that how we should be? Conformists who repeat things without understanding them? Every word and every statement that you make has an answer in words and statements. That is a law. So if you try to hurt with words and make false statements you will get hurt equally. That is a law.

Yes, sir, it is called tit for tat; it is the law of the playground. It is the law of the bully. You are a bully, sir. That's all. Don't make any bigger problem out of it.

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Mon, 27 Aug 2018 #202
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Paul, you made a fool out of yourself. You said that you are selfish and no good. Should we feel sorry for you ? No. I am not selfish and no good. That makes you jealous and frustrated. :-). You have abandoned the teachings but yet struggling in krishnamurti's forum to make sense. The only person who responded to you is one and I don't think he would anymore. I have read your pushy comments in krishnamurti network. All the same , selfish nonsense. It is no good. Change dude, change.
And for your information I don't know what you mean by the word bully. That word is rubbish. You are scared .

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Mon, 27 Aug 2018 #203
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This topic appears to me more and more a good representive for a totalitair system with the ministers of sport: 'ping - pong ' , the minister of defence: ' pang - pang '
and the minister of health, explaining ' bambino fiasco '. ;-()

P.S.: It's not the quantity that counts but the quality !

Truth will unfold itself to those who enquire their own actions.

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Tue, 28 Aug 2018 #204
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Goodman B: Change, dude, change. ... I don't know what you mean by the word bully. That word is rubbish. You are scared.

A bully is someone who wants to be in control. It is simple enough. So you know perfectly well what I mean; don't kid yourself. You are using some half-baked ideas and principles to control your interactions with people in this forum. You are using K as a weapon all the time and he is not a weapon. You are communicating through fear; that's very different from being afraid. So you don't scare me. But you are trying to hurt me. That's the whole difference. You want change on your terms only, which is no change at all. And you won't say a very simple thing which would dissolve the whole problem. You won't say, 'I am selfish.' You are happier playing God.

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Tue, 28 Aug 2018 #205
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Paul, do you realise that you are hurt? Who knows why but you are hurt. Nobody cares here to effect you in any way. It is your imagination that plays tricks on you.. Step out of it if you can.

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Tue, 28 Aug 2018 #206
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Goodman B: Do you realise that you are hurt? Who knows why but you are hurt. Nobody cares here to affect you in any way. It is your imagination that plays tricks on you. Step out of it if you can.

Sir, you don’t need to invent any image of me as hurt or this or that. Then you are playing God again, saying, ‘I know all about you.’ I have told you what I am. Just accept it. I am a selfish human being just like you. What’s the difficulty with this?

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Tue, 28 Aug 2018 #207
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Selfishness is an idea. What you say is like saying I am a communist like you why can't you admit that you are a communist!

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Tue, 28 Aug 2018 #208
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Goodman B: Selfish means a person who is no good. A person who steals from others. Is that what you are?

Selfish means to put oneself first. That's all. Don't complicate it any further; it is complicated enough. You put yourself first, don't you?

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Tue, 28 Aug 2018 #209
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Paul Dimmock wrote:
Selfish means to put oneself first. That's all.

If that is all then you can put yourself second. Is that a big deal?

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Tue, 28 Aug 2018 #210
Thumb_pd Paul Dimmock United Kingdom 210 posts in this forum Offline

Goodman B: If that is all then you can put yourself second. Is that a big deal?

Apparently, it is. Why would you want to put yourself second? What does it even mean? Second to what?

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