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Topic: Meeting with Eva Tue, 14 Feb 2017

randall merryman wrote: I figured that part of the reason some of the "old timers" have left is because uncle Randy pounded them mercilessly over their whimsical mythical imaginative speculations about this or that. So I have decided to be less of an @$$ and more of a watcher. Please carry on with the tides of pleasurable words and ideas. ;)

Ah! Like Phoenix, thought never dies.It rises from its ashes again.

Topic: No scar in the mind ? Fri, 03 Jun 2016

Jack Pine wrote: Cheating, Jean, is next to lying and stealing. This kind of behavior you are displaying shows lack of character and a gross selfishness.

You must remember the perfect being is always above rules etc.

Topic: Has sitting quietly to observe thought any value? Fri, 03 Jun 2016

Dan McDermott wrote: K is reported (by T. Stamp) to have said: ..."the unadorned naked awareness that is always there, rarely heeded is what you always have been, always will be. Cannot not be...."

Thanks Dan. Could you provide some reference please?

Topic: The brain has nothing to do with the mind? Wed, 16 Mar 2016

Voco . wrote: Hmm, looks like a lie. You haven't even asked him a question and he gave you an answer. Well, perhaps you are not the first one who was asking that question, so he actually checks you for your genuineness (read naivete) by counter question, not you check him. And perhaps you are telling thins in a reverse order. Perhaps you are that man with those super abilities?

Sorry to come late.

Voco, my post was in response to Mike's where he wondered how could he excess others' mind.

k has at few occasion said he could excess people's mind but he would'nt do it respecting their privacy unless they permit it.

Though the narrated incident did happen with me and there is much more to it than what I told, but I would'nt elaborate it further.

Regarding your comment about 'super abilities', pl keep in mind that Nature accepts no magic. Magic is only when you are not aware how it is done.

Topic: Are we starting from the wrong end? Tue, 15 Mar 2016

Juan Eyegaray wrote: So, maybe the question should be 'how i face myself?' .

Here also Dvaita.( duality )

I becomes an entity that is looking at self( another), therefore an impossibilty to be what i am.

Topic: The brain has nothing to do with the mind? Tue, 15 Mar 2016

Voco . wrote: Really? Well it's rather easy. If you ask me "How are you?" I can tell you that you have been thinking about how I am.

You are just being silly as i was when i went to him to test his genuiness & in my mind asked," What will be the number of the bus by which i am going to travel to Delhi next morning ?"

He retorted," Have you come to me to ask such stupid questions relating to registered number of the bus to Delhi or what? Please get out of this room.I am not a thing to be tested for purity you want to purchase"

What do you say to this, dear Vocco?

Topic: The brain has nothing to do with the mind? Mon, 14 Mar 2016

m christani wrote: How is this a fact and not silly imagination? Your 'mind' is in you, your neurons, nerves- a physical thing. How can I access that?

To start with, there are many people ( one is in my area ) , if you visit them with any question, they will tell you what you been thinking about.

ps. There is also a specialised course ( no jokes) to learn how to do that and is available against a fee.

Topic: The Public Wed, 02 Mar 2016

Jean Gatti wrote: he might think "what is the use of all those teachings for getting so poor results" ...

Could you kindly explain what kind of results you have in mind ?

Topic: Can you look... Sun, 28 Feb 2016

Among slogan shouting JNU students at the background, it is superbly creative music lol . .. , Wah!

http://youtu.be/6NJbxEgf3Uo

Topic: Can you look... Sun, 28 Feb 2016

Dan McDermott wrote: Also I want to add, referring to K. as "master" seems strange after he spent so many years speaking against the destructiveness of the 'master/ disciple' conditioning. He was indeed a 'signpost' but the discovery of the truth of our situation has to be discovered in and by ourselves, the master/disciple mentality is an impediment to that.

Reply to inconseqential first:

k was the greatest teacher i know of. In India , we call a school teacher , a Master. You are lucky if you get a good master. His teachings remain with you all life as he teaches , apart from the usual subject matter, also, how to lead your life. Thus i do not find any dissonance in the word master and teacher. Also the word Guru as many here would not like to attach with k, means the same. Guru is one who takes you from darkness to light.

These words arise from the mind of us who are in darkness but are passionate to see light. How can we use our own words to describe what he pointed towards unless we too have seen that?

Dan McDermott wrote: Thank you Ravi. However I think we all "interpret" what the "master" said... When and if you try his suggestion,though,to see if 'thought can be aware of itself", you may find as 'I' do that 'you' are that very thought/thinking that is being put in question as to whether 'it' can 'awaken', whether 'it' can become aware of itself. It is difficult to describe but if you have another experience with this, please share

Whenever i have inadventrly or adventrly , to understand k, have changed his words to suit my logic, they have boomeranged. After years of study, I found not even a word can be changed.

My way of studying k always has been to read him in one go, without stopping inbetween for reflection. This gives me the perfume, the rythem of the song i hear . Then i start reading slowly to understand what his words convey. The first establishes me as a listener who is enjoying the music, the poetry, the second makes me to dance with joy. That's all.

Then the music and dance starts on its own in your mind. Only then you can laugh with k and are free.

There were many like k who pointed as k would albeit in their own lingo in their own style.One who immediately comes to mind is Ghalib , the poet in Urdu and Perssian.

For you i quote his couplet:

(Naa kuch thaa to khuda tha. Kuch na hita to khuda hota Dubaya mujh ko gham ne Na hota main to kya hota. )

When there was nothing, HE was.

Had there been nothing, HE would be.

I am in sorrow entangled between these two.

Had "I" been 'Not', what there could be?

Topic: Can you look... Sat, 27 Feb 2016

Kindly do not interpret what the master said,Dan.

Topic: The essential Sat, 27 Feb 2016

Voco . wrote: I'm not saying that... All I'm saying is that we can't know the unknown, it is not called by any name, neither beauty, nor love, nor compassion, nor meditation.

Why do you call infinite as infinite or unknown as unknown? Have you seen the infinite or unknown to name them so ?

Try for a change to think about the infinite, your brains would burst open.

All these words point towards no-thing that you ought to look at it wordlessly.

Topic: Elixir Wed, 24 Feb 2016

Voco . wrote: What state of the mind? What is the mind? Is there mind first of all?

You may not be having any mind but the lady does.

Topic: Time Sun, 21 Feb 2016

max greene wrote: Thought is the self, and the self is protective of itself and will not destroy itself. Meditation aimed at improving thought (the self) is a waste of time.

Medition happens on its own, Max . It cannot be brought about.There is no improver in Medition.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Wed, 17 Feb 2016

natarajan shivan wrote: Real question finds it's answer only in action is what is pointed out.

Thanks

You are generous and Magnanimous.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Wed, 17 Feb 2016

natarajan shivan wrote: it is a sense of false freedom which sustains a question as unanswered

Aacademically raised questions are replied academically.

Raise a real question.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Wed, 17 Feb 2016

P Sylvan wrote: Hello Ravi,

I meant 'Listening' as in a 'State of Listening'.

That was a partial answer to describe that state .

Only in the state where all sense organs including thinking are simultaneously working and hence 'Empty' ( empty also means puranta [Hindi word]or that where there is nothing more) can point out to that state.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Wed, 17 Feb 2016

max greene wrote: But is it possible for thought to arise from emptiness? There is always motivation and purpose behind thinking and thought.

What is the purpose and motivation when sound emerges from an empty drum when struck?

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Tue, 16 Feb 2016

P Sylvan wrote: Listening

Seeing,tasting,touching, smelling and what you say above .

Topic: Time Tue, 16 Feb 2016

Jack Pine wrote: Physical time keeping or measurement is ubiquitous in Nature and not at all just an invention of Man. Physically we are of time. It's when we internalized physical time, when we, mankind, invented psychological time that we took one of those "wrong turns".

Wrong turn is when outer becomes inner. It is obvious. But why, is the question.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Tue, 16 Feb 2016

max greene wrote: Yes, and another question remains as well: How is it possible for thought to be aware?

A distinction very clearly is made in above quote of k.

Thought that arises from emptiness is aware of itself and thought that arises from memory is not.This means memory is always of a particular and thus a thought arising from it will be particular hence limited.

A thought arising from emptiness is awareness itself though arising from memory but that memory is not particular.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Tue, 16 Feb 2016

natarajan shivan wrote: What is the state in which a question remains unanswered?

Emptiness.

or

a fool who does not understand anything

Both look to be same, but one is beyond another is behind.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Tue, 16 Feb 2016

natarajan shivan wrote: What is the state in which a question remains unanswered?

Emptiness.

or

a fool who does not understand anything

Both look to be same, but one is beyond another is behind.

Topic: Insight Fri, 12 Feb 2016

Voco . wrote: What is insight? How do you see it?

Pl refer to post 102 " About the unconscious mind......Revisited"

Topic: Insight Fri, 12 Feb 2016

m christani wrote: Is a perception insight?

Pl refer ' About the unconscious mind......Revisited' P Sylvan quoting k :" .....that in Perception, thought no longer takes itself to be something that it isn’t."

In this quote, perception is insight.

Topic: About the unconscious mind......Revisited Thu, 11 Feb 2016

P Sylvan wrote: that in Perception, thought no longer takes itself to be something that it isn’t,

Good,Sylvan.

Therefore there is another factor as pointed out by k , that of 'perception' , that makes the thought realize its limitation.

Hearing this the thought then asks 'how to have that perception?', little realizing this question itself is arising from its mechanical activity :-)

Topic: Insight Thu, 11 Feb 2016

You all are guessing and out of this guess , making theories that are useless.

Insight has no memory, even a partial insight.

Topic: Insight Tue, 09 Feb 2016

Voco . wrote: Perhaps we could talk when Jack will get a little more serious and stop being so childish. Bringing up K quote instead of thinking on your own is surely a sign of an insightful man.

If you ever had an insight, even a partial one, you would also not support the statement that jack said was incorrect.

Topic: The Maltese Falcon Sat, 06 Feb 2016

idiot ? wrote: At the end of the talk he would finally reveal the answer to the question, just like a mystery novel where you find out who dunnit.

When did he do that ? Be kind enough to give some examples.

Topic: K Spin Fri, 29 Jan 2016

idiot ? wrote: There is no joker. There is no joke. Joking is.

When K was very young he was sometimes poorly treated. Some of his so called friends would come up and spin him around and he would become dizzy. Then they would laugh and run away.

Finally one day, K asked them, "Why do you keep spinning me around?"

And they answered, "To make you the whirled teacher!"

k was called an idiot then without a question mark.

After many years, he became all intelligent with a question mark.

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