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Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 10 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Why complicate with a preconceived formula that if one does this, that will happen?

Just understand deeply today's quote: "In talking to groups of listeners all over the world, I find more and more people seem not to understand what I am saying, because they come with fixed ideas."

K did not exclude Buddhists or followers of Veda when he said that, did he?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 11 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

ganesan balachandran wrote: Iam sorry , I think you have made him an authority. gb

Don't be sorry - perhaps you need to have an opinion - to form an image?

K pointed to truth - anyone can go there and find out - that is all.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 11 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

David Loucks wrote: Let's stick to what K had to point out and not what some goof ball thinks.

As K himself said - he is not an authority - the only authority is truth itself.

There are some on here who will happily step into the role of 'authority' in what they imagine is 'K's place'. But unfortunately for them, K pulled the plug on any ideas of leaders and followers - at least for anyone who has bothered to look deeply and find out by going into the truth of it all.

And K did negate EVERYTHING that humanity continues to cling to for security and support.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 12 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Are we talking 'love' as the opposite to 'hate'? Because it would seem that this opposition-type 'love' is all that human beings have any ability at all to touch upon.

Is it that one can only speculate about what may be termed 'universal love' - which cannot be owned?

What are we talking about when we claim 'love'?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

ganesan balachandran wrote: I just want to know why you mention the truth pointed out by JK, that is why I suspected of your conditioning to JK.

It is the responsibility of each one of us to go into what is said and find out the truth (or not) of it. There is no other way. And it means negating all beliefs and comforting ideas. Which is why not many go there.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

phil K wrote: so I will go still with all conditioning is bad

A conditioned brain cannot find out anything. A conditioned brain will only regurgitate its own conditioning - whatever it may be.

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

Close - but somewhat misquoted.

"Til" implies time - becoming.

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

No

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

It is important for quotes to be correct. Words are already confusing enough - if one is going to quote, at least be accurate.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

ganesan balachandran wrote: ' I will tell you in what manner you can have the whole insight'.

Why accept that from anyone? It implies authority. Doubt all human authority, my friend.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sat, 21 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

They are serious questions you ask Phil.

It is all very well to rave on about 'love' - those who do so maybe should be questioning the wider ramifications of what they espouse! And a little doubt about whether what is espoused as 'love' is in fact a figment of imagination (image) would not be out of place either.

Love cannot be owned. Only human beings presume to do so - are conditioned to do so!

There is no 'good' or 'bad' conditioning - there is only conditioning, which we all have. One either sees the fact of this conditioning, or one continues along blindly, in denial..... endlessly passing it on - albeit in the so-called 'good' guise. But conditioning nonetheless - subjectively labeled: 'good'.

How easily we human beings fool ourselves.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 23 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: The mind in its ignorance is misinterpreting lots of things as 'love'

This is indeed so.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: and the way out of this ignorance is to undertake the inward journey and also to encourage others to do the same. As the insight develops more and more when one is actually undertaking this journey, the understanding about what 'love' is not will come and then one may be blessed by the real 'love'.

You are recommending 'becoming' here? A journey - a path? I question that.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Understanding of scientific findings and chemical changes helps, but it can never replace the actual journey.

Throw out the scientific findings! They are all ONLY measurement and opinion. Love cannot be measured - or owned - or attained through becoming. Neither can intelligence. Love IS. Intelligence IS.

Human beings, for all our constant desires, cannot touch love - or intelligence. It could be the other way around - but humans block being touched by what is universal - with all our psychological thought, desire for enlightenment, self-importance and comparison. And by believing the limited opinions and measurements of 'scientific experts'.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 24 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Robert Michael wrote: Prasanna, you've been communicating with a man who not only thoroughly understands K and walks in his foots steps, but has gone far beyond him.

A fine example of someone puffed-up, flushed and florid with his own 'self' importance.

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Tue, 24 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

Go to the source my friend. It is a mistake to rely upon misinformed quotations.

K was so careful with what he said and gave out.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 24 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

ganesan balachandran wrote: infact JK wanted this only is it not?

K wanted puffed-up, flushed, florid, self-importance?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 24 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

You are asking someone to compare? I am not interested in comparison.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 25 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Is it not that each is responsible for oneself? One is responsible for one's own delusion surely?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sat, 28 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

David Loucks - well said! It is good that someone on here is finally stating things as they are.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 30 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Robert Michael wrote: So K, as brilliant and full of love and truth as he was, was never able to develop the right approach for helping others simply because he himself never experienced living life at the level of his listeners. As a result he was of no value in helping anyone attain to the mountain top, save for perhaps one person. Who may just be the one person who has in fact gone 'beyond K'.

So sad to know that the conditioning of humanity continues in such profusion. In our self-delusion do we really continue to importantly believe we are required to 'help' truth?

Come on Bob - get over yourself! Only then will you begin to understand the subtlety from where K acted.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 03 Dec 2009
Topic: Discussion of Kinfonet's Daily Quotes.....

Thank you David for expressing all that so clearly and lucidly. And for posting K's reply in full to that question.

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Sun, 06 Dec 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

The exact quote is this:

"What are you going to do with your life sir? If you have touched the other, and are not anchored in it, you will go to pieces." (K to Asit Chandmal. January 1986, just before he finally left India for California, and a few weeks before his death)

Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Dec 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Do you really believe that the self can predict or assume what freedom from the self is?

Does a limited brain even begin to comprehend the unlimited? Of course not - it cannot.

There seems to be an assumption going on in this forum that a wonderful newly-freed 'self' will emerge from all this mess, and that 'self' - wearing a lovely new coat - will then show the others how to DO IT! Same old same old! Follow the leader to enlightenment.

Forum: Insights Tue, 08 Dec 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Hermann Janzen wrote: this is a preposterous reading of what I'm saying.

Are you sure about that? Go deeper.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 08 Dec 2009
Topic: Discussion of Kinfonet's Daily Quotes.....

Robert Michael wrote: I see no problem with praying for our inner turmoil (or wars) to be resolved and replaced with a deep and abiding peace of mind.

Praying? To whom?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 09 Dec 2009
Topic: Discussion of Kinfonet's Daily Quotes.....

Praying is driven by hope and desire. The self is driven by hope and desire.

Who is one praying to? Some authority? Some god one has invented in one's own image?

Is it that humans are SO conditioned to pray that we try to turn praying into something noble - instead of seeing it for what it is - a selfish deluded action towards desire-fulfillment?

Thanks for the quote David. K is right on the ball - as always.

Forum: Insights Thu, 10 Dec 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Hermann Janzen wrote: Why should I investigate your speculations? Isn't that your job?

Aren't you a paul-pusher Hermann?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 10 Dec 2009
Topic: Discussion of Kinfonet's Daily Quotes.....

Robert Michael wrote: What it's going to take to finally end war and bring peace and true brotherhood to the planet is a final war, probably in the form of a great nuclear conflagration, one that will be far, far greater and more destructive than the sum total of all the wars down throughout the history of man.

All predictions are subjective. Nothing more than projections from the self, and born of a deluded desire to increase its own importance into the 'future'.

To pray to 'the source', 'the infinite' is a petty stupidity, only indulged in by a self-satisfied ego. A continuation of long-held and unquestioned conditioning.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 10 Dec 2009
Topic: Discussion of Kinfonet's Daily Quotes.....

You are a bit of a Mr Robert Michael fan, aren't you Ganesan.

RM is pointing out his fancy - not 'the obvious'. We live in a dynamic universe - there are many random possibilities. RM focuses on the one that suits his scenario best. And then he prays........!

Forum: Insights Thu, 10 Dec 2009
Topic: Fasting; Clarity, Energy and Suspended Thought

Cause and effect.

Forum: Insights Fri, 11 Dec 2009
Topic: Seriousness

nick carter wrote: A lot of what K said and wrote could be put more clearly, more elegantly, and it wouldn't hurt.

It would hurt a lot if the person putting it "more clearly, more elegantly" were not speaking from where K spoke. It would completely alter the meaning. And who can speak from where K spoke?