Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening
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Forum: Awareness in our world today Sat, 24 Oct 2009
Topic: Under total awareness, fear changed into bravery&courage

Prasanna P wrote: I feel simplifying human psychology is far more vital and essential to mankind than most other works of research that are underway.

Forget 'simplifying human psychology'. It is a myth - so end it!

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 30 Oct 2009
Topic: Will there be fruit from the seed of K's Teaching

Prasanna P wrote: I think, some day some one who has read K, would advance it further to make it effective.

Truth - which is what K pointed towards - is already 'effective'.

To 'advance' truth would only be to pollute it, which is a fruitless and deceptive effort to make it more palatable.

And it seems there are a few contenders for the position of 'polluter of truth' around here. Certainly it is easier to pollute the truth than to face the fact of it. :)

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 30 Oct 2009
Topic: Will there be fruit from the seed of K's Teaching

mike christani wrote: In other words, don't blame the teachings, and above all don't claim the poor masses need someone more understandable.

My point exactly Mike. It is all there - K has pointed to truth, and those who cannot go there and find out for themselves not only desire to blame K for their own inadequacies, but believe they can give the truth a more agreeable veneer which will mean that now everyone will 'follow' them instead!

Just observe how conditioned humans are to have a 'leader'! One who will 'advance' the teaching (truth) for us! Make it nice and easy perhaps? Well - it just isn't! It is all there in the teaching - nothing more needs to be said - there is only the action of understanding. Action - not theory.

Truth meanwhile remains truth - ever effective - whether understood or not by us mere mortals!

Forum: Insights Wed, 04 Nov 2009
Topic: Images

ganesan balachandran wrote: Is not imagination a shaping factor in life?

Imagination is only in place in the technical - where it is useful for solving technical problems like shelter etc.

Imagination which is operating in the psychological realm is a disaster. And I wonder how many see the difference.

Forum: Insights Wed, 04 Nov 2009
Topic: Images

That quote should have come up as being from Dappling Light - not gb. There seems to be a technical glitch! Anyone with the imagination to fix it? :)

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 04 Nov 2009
Topic: Nobel prize for peace to Sri.JK

ganesan balachandran wrote: How to initiate this proposal for an award of Nobel prize for Peace to Sri. J.K. Let us prepare the ground for it. One day this is going to come true. gb

K never required approval from the deemed 'authorities' of his day. (Just witness how he tried to secrete away and leave behind on a table the award the UN presented to him - have you seen that?)

I suspect - while it may make his 'followers' happy and reinforced in their 'quest' - a Nobel peace prize is neither here nor there to the teaching - nor to the truth itself.

What use is an award presented by a generally corrupt society to a human being who constantly questioned the whole of corruption?

The desire for such an award implies that truth needs the approval of society - it does not. Society does however need truth! But awards will not bring that about.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 04 Nov 2009
Topic: Nobel prize for peace to Sri.JK

When the UN presented K with a peace prize - some little statue I think it was - he held it behind his back and then sidled back and slipped it on to a table just before he left the room. Some official saw it there a picked it up and hurried off after K as though K had forgotten something really important!

Says it all really Krishnan! :)

Forum: Awareness in our world today Thu, 05 Nov 2009
Topic: Nobel prize for peace to Sri.JK

ganesan balachandran wrote: There is a need to understand JK with ourselves first and also we have a comitment to inseminate his teachings or propagate. This will become easier if he is awarded nobel prize

Our commitment is to discover and understand quietly and in stillness the truth of the human condition.

Please explain how anyone who would be 'suitably impressed' because K wins a Nobel Peace Prize has even begun to lay the ground for such a serious inquiry into the whole of human corruption.

As K himself said - the teaching is only for the few. Many others will hang around on the edges, trying to fit what he said with their own ideas, beliefs, and their overall sense of importance, and then blame K because it does not/cannot compute.

To consider trying to turn the teaching into a popular movement supported by various prizes and world authorities would seem to be a completely erroneous direction.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 09 Nov 2009
Topic: Can we consider Krishnamurti as continuity of Budha

When the Buddhists asked K a similar question he replied: Why do you compare?

So: Why do you compare?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 09 Nov 2009
Topic: Can we consider Krishnamurti as continuity of Budha

Look at today's quote:

"In talking to groups of listeners all over the world, I find that more and more people seem not to understand what I am saying, because they come with fixed ideas."

And that is what happened in that talk with Buddhists. So busy were they - trying to 'fit K in' - they missed altogether what he was saying. And so it continues.......

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 09 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Too many fixed ideas operating here perhaps?

Forum: Insights Mon, 09 Nov 2009
Topic: Seriousness

The fact is: humanity is in total disorder.

I am humanity.

nick carter wrote: Why does one who sees and feels all this go on living? Why not just die?

That seems, at one level, to be opting out of the responsibility. But at another level, it is all one can do. The only inevitability - one way or the other.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 09 Nov 2009
Topic: Can we consider Krishnamurti as continuity of Budha

Paul Lanzon wrote: And if these 'Buddhists' were trying to fit K 'in' then that proves they were acting out of keeping with the true spirit of Buddhism (which is shown at its best in K's work).

K made it very clear that the only manner in which to approach the teaching is with an empty and clear mind.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 10 Nov 2009
Topic: Will Cry Translator affect patience & tolerance in children ?

Chilton Pearce hits the nail right on the head.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 10 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

One can only approach the teaching (that K put in place) with an empty and clear brain.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Tue, 10 Nov 2009
Topic: Can we consider Krishnamurti as continuity of Budha

To approach the teaching as K laid it down with a brain already full of Veda belief is to NOT approach the teaching with a clear and empty mind.

K negated all belief - including Buddhism. Simple as that.

One can only go deeply into the teaching from a state of emptiness.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 10 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Why complicate with a preconceived formula that if one does this, that will happen?

Just understand deeply today's quote: "In talking to groups of listeners all over the world, I find more and more people seem not to understand what I am saying, because they come with fixed ideas."

K did not exclude Buddhists or followers of Veda when he said that, did he?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 11 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

ganesan balachandran wrote: Iam sorry , I think you have made him an authority. gb

Don't be sorry - perhaps you need to have an opinion - to form an image?

K pointed to truth - anyone can go there and find out - that is all.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 11 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

David Loucks wrote: Let's stick to what K had to point out and not what some goof ball thinks.

As K himself said - he is not an authority - the only authority is truth itself.

There are some on here who will happily step into the role of 'authority' in what they imagine is 'K's place'. But unfortunately for them, K pulled the plug on any ideas of leaders and followers - at least for anyone who has bothered to look deeply and find out by going into the truth of it all.

And K did negate EVERYTHING that humanity continues to cling to for security and support.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 12 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Are we talking 'love' as the opposite to 'hate'? Because it would seem that this opposition-type 'love' is all that human beings have any ability at all to touch upon.

Is it that one can only speculate about what may be termed 'universal love' - which cannot be owned?

What are we talking about when we claim 'love'?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

ganesan balachandran wrote: I just want to know why you mention the truth pointed out by JK, that is why I suspected of your conditioning to JK.

It is the responsibility of each one of us to go into what is said and find out the truth (or not) of it. There is no other way. And it means negating all beliefs and comforting ideas. Which is why not many go there.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

phil K wrote: so I will go still with all conditioning is bad

A conditioned brain cannot find out anything. A conditioned brain will only regurgitate its own conditioning - whatever it may be.

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

Close - but somewhat misquoted.

"Til" implies time - becoming.

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

No

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

It is important for quotes to be correct. Words are already confusing enough - if one is going to quote, at least be accurate.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 18 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

ganesan balachandran wrote: ' I will tell you in what manner you can have the whole insight'.

Why accept that from anyone? It implies authority. Doubt all human authority, my friend.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sat, 21 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

They are serious questions you ask Phil.

It is all very well to rave on about 'love' - those who do so maybe should be questioning the wider ramifications of what they espouse! And a little doubt about whether what is espoused as 'love' is in fact a figment of imagination (image) would not be out of place either.

Love cannot be owned. Only human beings presume to do so - are conditioned to do so!

There is no 'good' or 'bad' conditioning - there is only conditioning, which we all have. One either sees the fact of this conditioning, or one continues along blindly, in denial..... endlessly passing it on - albeit in the so-called 'good' guise. But conditioning nonetheless - subjectively labeled: 'good'.

How easily we human beings fool ourselves.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 23 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: The mind in its ignorance is misinterpreting lots of things as 'love'

This is indeed so.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: and the way out of this ignorance is to undertake the inward journey and also to encourage others to do the same. As the insight develops more and more when one is actually undertaking this journey, the understanding about what 'love' is not will come and then one may be blessed by the real 'love'.

You are recommending 'becoming' here? A journey - a path? I question that.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Understanding of scientific findings and chemical changes helps, but it can never replace the actual journey.

Throw out the scientific findings! They are all ONLY measurement and opinion. Love cannot be measured - or owned - or attained through becoming. Neither can intelligence. Love IS. Intelligence IS.

Human beings, for all our constant desires, cannot touch love - or intelligence. It could be the other way around - but humans block being touched by what is universal - with all our psychological thought, desire for enlightenment, self-importance and comparison. And by believing the limited opinions and measurements of 'scientific experts'.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 24 Nov 2009
Topic: Love

Robert Michael wrote: Prasanna, you've been communicating with a man who not only thoroughly understands K and walks in his foots steps, but has gone far beyond him.

A fine example of someone puffed-up, flushed and florid with his own 'self' importance.

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Tue, 24 Nov 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti one liner

Go to the source my friend. It is a mistake to rely upon misinformed quotations.

K was so careful with what he said and gave out.