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Eve G.'s Forum Activity | 1922 posts in 11 forums


Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Jul 2010
Topic: What is Meditation?

Hi Pat, Yup it is me back from the dead and it looks like I missed nothing :) everyone still meditating? Is it possible to end all conditioned response? Is it possible to end the image? Or just being aware of its existence frees you? Tricky thing this image, which is me, hard to tell if there is anything but image?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Jul 2010
Topic: What is Meditation?

FB Chafia????What is that?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Jul 2010
Topic: What is Meditation?

Am happy to help but as you well know, I have a short attention span and I (my image self and I) get bored real easy like. So How can I tell I am more than my total some of image? and what is the relationship between the image maker, me, and meditation?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Jul 2010
Topic: What is Meditation?

Well done :) Mia culpa, mia culpa mia massima culpa....

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Jul 2010
Topic: What is Meditation?

Can anyone tell me please....is there meditation or is it meditation to be aware of that image? to slow down the frame of thinking or thought and look at it, look at our reactive mind? Is that meditation? If so is thought, image and opinion different or simply different words describing the same happening?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 02 Aug 2010
Topic: Conditioning and attachment

Who is gb?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 02 Aug 2010
Topic: Conditioning and attachment

I wonder if we can get back to attachment and conditioning...without knowing who is gb? If we are conditioned through and through and there is no part of us that is not conditioned, which by the way I seem to agree that it is so, is there any way that this conditioning be freed of....and what is the connection between attachment and conditioned responses?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 13 Aug 2010
Topic: Impossible question!

Perhaps the term 'let go' suggests an action..? Non action is the simple realization that time is thought and there is nothing to let go of....one sees it and non action comes about, or one does not see it and action based thinking continues?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 10 Nov 2010
Topic: Desire

Emma what is desire? How do we know it is desire? I think somewhere K said desire is a repetitive pleasure....am I on the right track? Desire is something I want, but I can't help wonder if behind it is a fear that I will not get it or can't have it. If I am sure I will have all I need would I desire anything? What do you think?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 10 Nov 2010
Topic: Desire

Yes that makes sense I can only imagine a life without fear or desire...but it would only be a projection of desire, right? So not real. We can't imagine a life without desire because desire is what is...and any movement from what is can not be real?

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 23 Nov 2010
Topic: The Human Condition, contd.

Do we need to know anything about another or do we need to understand ourselves and then the other is just me?

Are we not all equally dysfunctional and is not the process of making distinctions a process of isolation?

Is the distinction a fact?

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 23 Nov 2010
Topic: What is meditation?

Where the activity of the self is not.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 13 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Patricia Hemingway wrote: There is a rut the disordered consciousness will fall into in the case of the teaching being completely misunderstood however, and you demonstrate that pretty well Nick. Constantly. And contentedly, it seems.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 13 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Hi Pat....sorry am trying to figure how this thing works....I wish there was 'K consciousness' amongst the K....readers of the teachings, if there was a K consciousness he succeeded in setting humanity free of human consciousness :). unfortunately there is only human consciousness and interpretation of K's teachings.

Setting us free from ourselves proves to be a more difficult task?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 13 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Hi nick...I find the title interesting...for how long do we deny our self deception? If the self is deception then until the self realizes it is not the seat of wisdom but a limited construction one must end in order to understand whom and what we are...

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 13 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

It has been a long time and none at at all:) Seasons greetings to speedy, the fee-lion and any other remembers of the clan. E

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 14 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

Hi Idiot....no offense meant...I can't help wonder why you chose this term but ok, I accept. I think K meant the house on the inside but he was a man of order both on the inside and the outside as I remember him.

Actually, most of the neat freaks I know tend to clean the outside as a substitute for putting the inside house in order, so one can never tell about things like that. Just like a workaholic is not working to bring about world change but to escape his own disorder.

So where are we? We need to stop eating animals, take walks in woods and get some space.... I read someplace that Hitler was a vegetarian, he loved animals and was one of the firs to preserve the Bavarian forest....makes me wonder about following formulas. As for speaking with serious people on this forum or elsewhere....back to our forum about discussion being a total waste of time :D.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 15 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

nick carter wrote: It is also my conditioning to believe I can do something about my conditioning. I'm conditioned to believe I can do things, but do "I" actually exist? Conditioning says I do and that I can act in such a way as to be free of conditioning. But direct experience demonstrates that unless there's thought, the stream of consciousness, there's no I. Direct experience shows that I am what the conditioned brain does; I am the condition re-conditioning itself every moment. So there's nothing to be done because there's no one to do it. There's just the sound and movement of conditioned consciousness within the field of awareness, a tree falling in the forest.

Hi Nick,

I think K deals with it very well by saying that as long s consciousness acts on itself, conditioning on conditioning, you are endlessly trapped. I think what is called for here is non-action, which is the element that acts on the conditioning. Non action is attention, which is the most appropriate action?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Dear friend,

When there is no ego/reaction, there is the beginning of right understanding. When 'everything is welcome' one has surrendered to That. The first state brings freedom from a load, the second innocent joy. Right?

Very well put!

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

idiot ? wrote: You seem to dismiss them quite quickly. It is true that Hitler was a veg. But K also did these things. Do you think they are unimportant things that he did? Like the fancy brand of shoes he liked to wear? To me, these are beautiful and vitally important activities. To me, they are not incidental at all to K teaching but essential expressions of it.

You seem to put words in mouth and come to conclusions just as quickly...K and others come to vegetarianism through a deep understanding of the interconnected life and the relationship between humans and animals...many people are vegetarians and practice violence in their life each day while using vegetarianism as a flag...I am not comparing K and Hitler. Please comparing is part of that violence we are speaking on. I am saying that just practicing based on authority or fads, is just as much none sense as killing and eating animals and sometimes worse.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Is it a formula not to kill? Isn't it a question of sensitivity?

Yes,Hitler was a vegetarian.So this means his reason was not due to sensitivity judging by his infamous deeds.Let us then consider some people who were considered sensitive.

1)The 6th commandment(or some other) of the Bible is- Thou shall not kill-if I am not mistaken.

2)1st precept in Buddhist scriptures say not to kill.The Buddha also had said to abstain from selling flesh as a profession.

3) It is prohibited in Koran(traditional chapter 2,verse 173)to eat dead flesh.blood,swine. Special emphasis had been given to swine for some reason but dead flesh means meat & fish.Furthermore how to eat meat & fish without eating blood?

So apparently the saints of these 3 religions did not advocate eating meat & fish although nobody-the Buddhists, the Christians or Muslims- follow it.Hindus don't eat flesh- if I am correct.

So this what the saints said.

Sir

Do you kill in word or gesture? Do you dominate, compare all part of the cycle of violence?

So you follow authority also part of violence?

I am not interested in what K said or didn't say or scripture...I am interested in understanding life and why one does and does not do something not based on what others say or don't say. As for my self I come from a third generation vegetarianism. So my grandfather who was a close friend of K was a vegetarian and so was my father and I.

I came to understand that one can it well without the shedding of blood and that is and understanding I practice. But following without understanding, while practicing violence in many other forms and never being aware of it, is what we all do. Yet we continue to wave the flag of vegetarianism. This a privet action one my choose to live by and not something to make political statements about.

One is only questioning the hypocritical nature of the self...:)

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

nick carter wrote: But there's no actor, so who or what is responsible for "non-action"?

In this particular case the actor is the self or contagiousness itself acting on as a reactive response. The self as a cumulative memory exists as human consciousness. I don't think K is saying that human consciousness does not exist, is that what you are saying?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Won't an appropriate action (attention) become inappropriate if perfomed on the basis of past knowledge or experience (thinking)?

Conditioning is not going anywhere if one thinks that paying attention to conditioning is going to end it. Can attention be used as a tool to serve a purpose?

It is my understanding that intelligence does interact with the brain and does affect one's thinking. When I say I think I am using thinking as a tool, I am also using language and words which is also a tool. Is attention a tool to be used? By definition attention can not be a tool because it is not a contract of words and time....It is simply a fact that attention as non-action acts on conditioning. Put it into action and see...

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

nick carter wrote: Psychological identity is insanity. Physically, I am somebody, but in my mind, psychologically, I am somebody else entirely, and this mental, psychological me is my madness. So I'm asking for light to reveal this madness, bring it to light, so to speak, but who or what do I beseech or petition for light? Some other imagined "higher" being? Or how, for that matter, can I be a light to myself? As a physical being, is there anything I can do to bring light enough to dispel my delusion of being a psychological entity?

Are you only the body and the madness? Is that a fact? Then perhaps that is the portal? The body and the madness?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

Ruth Marie Bass wrote: It's the absence of psychological identity which yields insanity and dysfunction. Yes, self-centered activity of that psychological identity may the the basis for society's ills and the world conditions may change, if that structure of identity changed. But, so far, it's only a K-hypothesis.

That is true. But you do have an experimental portal in which you can test this hypothesis don't you? If it works on one's own madness and if one is able to clear something up using this hypothesis, is it an hypothesis or is it a fact?

If we deal or clear up some of our own daily madness is it not a logical extension that it is not just a K hypothesis?

The problem here in this forum is that we display more madness than awareness of it....

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 17 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

nick carter wrote: But do "I", the alleged tool user even exist? Am I real or imagined? If I'm real, then it makes sense to talk about using tools, doing this and that. But if I'm just imagined, it's madness. Recommend

The collective self is the I and is human consciousness. If the I does not exist, neither does human consciousness. Unfortunately they both exist....that still does not contradict the fact that the self is man made. It is not real in terms of it is not the birds and nature, that is reality, the self as a collection of memory and experiences of the past is not a 'reality' it is of our own making. In that terms it does not exist. One cant say human consciousness exists but the self does not, they are both the same.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 17 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

nick carter wrote: But do "I", the alleged tool user even exist? Am I real or imagined? If I'm real, then it makes sense to talk about using tools, doing this and that. But if I'm just imagined, it's madness.

Nick, are the consequences of the I exist? War madness the earth being destroyed are these fact or not? If the consequences of this illusory self are real...and we have tremendous evidence of this fact. How can the self be only and illusion? It is a paradox because it is not part of reality we create this self and then with this self we kill and impact the 'real' world around us. If the self did not exist, K would not have come to wake humanity from its grip. It is because we are functioning with an ego based reality and consider it REAL that he came to wake us up. This does not contradict the fact that without men, the ego is not and without men there is no human consciousness.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 17 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Do you mind if I comment on this please? I do not agree at all this to be a private action we may choose but a fact without choice as we inquire into life but I agree that this is not a thing to make political statements about.

People are vegetarian from many reasons...for some it is a fad, for others it is a choice, others it is for health reasons, habit, political correctness etc. This is what I meant it is a personal 'choice' born of awareness that killing is not necessary. I do not in any way see myself better than meat eaters, or more advanced at all because I still have the self in tact and that self creates many acts of violence so for as long as the I is in tact, I find it very hypocritical to tell anyone what they should eat or not eat :) I am not at all offended but simply stating that people wave flags and formulas as the road to enlightenment that often seem hypocritical that is all.:)

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 17 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

nick carter wrote: No. Consciousness is a fact but the self, I, me, mine, is fiction.

The book, "The Wizard of Oz" exists, is real, but none of the characters or the events therein are real. It's fiction. Understand? Fiction is real, it exists, but what it represents has no reality.

First of all Nick please don't say no...I'm not your child or your follower and you are not my guru or sage and this is why you turn off people like Patricia.

You don't know I don't know we are investigating and it is not your place to say yes or NO. Observe the self in action.

Second you contradict your self. The construction of the self what the self is, is the same as human consciousness...memories, remembrance, pain, sorrow etc. The cumulative human experience is the self and human consciousness. When K says that the It doesn't exist in reality, he gives as example nature. Nature is real in the sense that it is not created by you and me.

Consciousness as the self are not real in the sense that they are created by us humans. but the consequences of consciousness of the self are war and the destruction of the plant are REAL. These are facts that do not require your or my agreement.

Does memory as the self has consequences or not? are not wars the consequences of the self as human consciousness?

You either are willing to discuss while observing your own limitation or you are going to dictate to others what is fact. Facts stand on their own feet they do not require your or my agreement

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 18 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

nick carter wrote: Oh dear. So sorry to have upset you. Do forgive me.

:) give me a break nick we are not here to play cat and mouse games...