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Forum: General Discussion Mon, 06 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

We deceive ourselves that we are free of thought and somehow different from the rest of the human race because we are well versed in K's teachings. How long will this deception go on?? K, himself, was just a flicker. His teachings don't pay the bills. Reality has a harsh, loud, knock at our doors. When will we wake up?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 06 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

We deceive ourselves that we are free of thought and somehow different from the rest of the human race because we are well versed in K's teachings. How long will this deception go on?? K, himself, was just a flicker. His teachings don't pay the bills. Reality has a harsh, loud, knock at our doors. When will we wake up?

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 07 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Nick, Patricia and Kapila, It is nice to gather together with others who explore K's teachings. I suppose that's why we drop by this forum. The teachings "unify" our divided lot. I certainly question my opinions and find I'm more content having none. The bills are still there, divided or not, and the teachings are an escape from that mundane reality, briefly. Define me as you will.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 08 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Nick, LSD brings about new perceptions and sensations which "appear" to be the absolute truth to the individual. There are consistencies of these perceptions with ancient philosophical thought. LSD has been used therapeutically to change behavior. The thought of "karmic debt" is consistent with some religous teachings. The individual may choose to act upon these new perceptions and change behavior, but proselytising those perceptions and new behaviors may isolate the indivdual from peers, even start a new dogma.

Kapila, I like paradoxes and koans because they pry loose cemented thought. My perceptions are 98% mundane, I rarely enjoy the journey "outside the box". K's teaching were that ladder outside the prison cell, but everytime I returned the rountines remained. I love the teachings because of the freedom they bring, making the palpable mundane more comfortable, bills and all.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

In that case, Nick, are you indicating that a mental disorder of the mind (insanity) produces a psychological identity? Isn't the psychological identity produced by the organism's brain, centered in an environment with sensory stimuli. Conditioning, memories, experiences have produced the psychological identity of the organism; each organism is physically divided from the other, yet unified, without boundaries, in an "expanded" sense. The psychological identity "organizes" and makes sense of the environment in which the organism functions. It's the absence of psychological identity which yields insanity and dysfunction. Yes, self-centered activity of that psychological identity may the the basis for society's ills and the world conditions may change, if that structure of identity changed. But, so far, it's only a K-hypothesis.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 24 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

"The moment you have in your heart this extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the ecstasy of it, you will discover that for you the world is transformed."

Did K really say this? Can someone tell me in what context this statement was made? What does it mean?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 25 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

I Googled the quote and it appears that K did say this. Patricia suggested that he said this during or shortly after his theosophy years, that he eventually ceased saying anything that may give people hope. Yet for years K continued to speak of love in a way that Nick referred to as "mythical". Throughout his life K stated that when self-centered activity begins, love ceases to be. Kapila has stated that the world is the collective expression of the self, and when the self is absent the world is constructed from a wholly different point of view, thus transformed. So when we see the condition of the world and even of our individual lives, most humans want transformation. Yes Patricia, desire arises from the self-centered person to be self-less if that's what is required to bring about change. K seemed to use the words transformation, revolution, and regeneration interchangeably. K continuously fed desire when he talked about those other ways of being in this world, about a world without divisive nationalism, religions, war, and personal conflicts. K instilled a sense of responsibility into the listener.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 25 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

Thank you Craig for the published date on that quote. I agree, Patricia and Eve, that negation can bring about a better understanding of love as defined by K. He asked, "Is love desire? Is love energy, intelligence, the immeasurable?"

Science of the brain has a different definition for love: dopamine and norepinephrine, measured by the picograms (a trillionth of a gram). The world does seem to change under the influence of these neurotransmitters. So if a walk down memory lane opens the door of a heart that had long ago been shut and love comes into being, what's the harm? Afterall, when love is, the self is not. If the beauty of a flower, the ocean, the mountains brings about love, why not give attention to these more frequently?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 26 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

If that is love, Nick, then what was K talking about?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 02 May 2011
Topic: Osama bin Laden and the Wages of War

Always among us in one form or another: metamorphic terror, hatred, self-aggrandizment, arrogance, destruction. One man's world-view and intentions to change it, is another man's nightmare. If "you are the world", then you, too, are Osama bin Laden.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 07 May 2011
Topic: Honesty

Paul, As for voting in government elections, "The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." Alice Walker

Activism may be essential at critical at times in one's life, just as is self-honesty is daily life:

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Forum: General Discussion Sun, 08 May 2011
Topic: Honesty

Paul, Activism is staying informed and organized on issues dear-to-heart and taking action necessary to inform others in the position to bring about necessary change. Action is a response to one's sensitivities.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 08 May 2011
Topic: Osama bin Laden and the Wages of War

Are you in the grip of an opinion?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 14 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

If you had not happened upon that book, video or live presentation of K, where would you be? How has contact with what K had to say changed your life? Are you the world you want to observe? Have you given the energy to observe who you are, to be that silence, and to be in this world without authority, status, or knowledge?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 14 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Didn't K?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 14 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Didn't K advocate some kind of ideal?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

lidlo lady wrote: Who wouldn't take it as an indictment of what we are as compared to what we should be?

Isn't it an indictment of not being aware of what we are? Without the "should be", there is no comparison.

"There is only being and beginning...Order is the beginning, the source of an energy that can never diminish. To investigate it there must be an investigation of the senses and desire. That blessedness of order is when the mind does not have a single desire and the senses are operating fully, totally" Krishnaji Ch.35 of Pupul's book.

K pointed to our essence and potential. K helped me find a new way of looking.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

lidlo lady wrote: The "should be" is implied. If all he talked about was how we avoid or deny awareness, that would be one thing. But he went on interminably about states of mind and awareness that may as well be science-fiction.

What may seem like science fiction for some, was the resonance of truth for others. Indeed, the "should be" was frequently implied and at the same time vehemently denied.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Giving the description of 'potential' in front of people trying to understand the 'essence' was still a potentially serious danger that could derail their investigation/enquiry by creating powerful illusions, would you agree?

I would not be inclined to say it was "a potentially seirous danger" nor would I think it "could derail their investigation/enquiry". Understanding one's essence and potential is seeing the integrity of being. Such understanding does begin with enquiry, investigation or experimentation.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

RICK LEIN wrote: it is very tricky to try and define or describe an altered state of consciousness....it does seem however that when we "Think" we have changed we may be just seeing the illusion of self improvement..or refinement of conditioning?

I'm not sure if the influence of K's teachings has been a form of "self-improvement" or "refinement of conditioning for me". One example is that I have less patience for the religious proselytes. I'm polite when encountering them, but find them to be an irritant. I do wish some illusions would just go away.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Essence: the true nature of something; the defining property or properties of something.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

lidio lady, the "one" is the observer; the observer's essence. The seed contains the essence of the forest; the forest is the potential of the seed.

Rick Lein states that we are monkeys. Our primate essence is found in our physiology. But the "delusions of being something other" may be the outcome of self-awareness within one's environment, of action or of accident.

Perhaps, within the essence of humanity is the urge to search our essence and whence the observer arose, separating as identity and all that accompanies individuality: pursuit of security, fear, ego, etc.

lidlo lady wrote: Who or what do you think you are and what do you think is your essence?

I know my name, my genealogy going back 500 years, where I live, what I possess, my standing in the community and some of my plans for my remaining years on earth. As for my essence, I know nothing. I rely on enquiry and stillness and never the word.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 16 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Thank you, lidio lady, for the welcome matte. Understanding one's essence and potential is seeing the integrity of being.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 16 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Yo, lidlo, you have an endearing quality with all your nitpicking. We are not forced to be here (at Kinfonet) as inmates in a prison. I think we come to enquire together. I could attempt words expressing insights into the essence, potential and integrity of being, but never approach the clarity arrived at by listening to or reading K. I appreciate what others have to say. What's it going to take to get you off your high horse?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 19 Jan 2012
Topic: The Teaching, the Taught

I think Lidlo is onto something. There is no going back. And yes, the "redemption" of ending of thought may bring some tranquility in daily life. If it works, use it. Lidlo seems angry because no one questions K's teachings and may use them as a basis for truth, reality, a dogma. I think Lidlo enjoys the conflict she stirs up, but may be one of the most avid (closet) K reader.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 30 Jan 2012
Topic: Just Asking

Another assumption is that life has a purpose or there is living "purposefully". Purpose implies belief, a belief that actions need to be planned or guided to an intended outcome.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 08 May 2012
Topic: Can there be an end to war

Kali Yuga wrote: Which is why Ruth Bass started an inane thread a while back with the proclamation that she was bin Laden

Sorry Kali, this is what I wrote: ": Osama bin Laden and the Wages of War, Sun, 08 May 2011 ... is another man's nightmare. If "you are the world", then you, too, are Osama bin Laden." (YOU are the ***, not I ;)

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 22 Oct 2012
Topic: Relationship and responsibility

The bottom line is significant to me: "...so merely to think of creating a new world will never bring a new world into being. " What does it mean to bring a new world into being? Is this a tenet of the teachings, that by understanding ourselves, the totality of our thoughts, feelings and actions, that we can bring about radical transformation in relationship and only then can we "possibly create a new culture, a different civilization, a peaceful world." Sounds like hope.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012
Topic: Relationship and responsibility

Surely at least one person has tried to bring a new world into being; "possibly create a new culture, a different civilization, a peaceful world." It hasn't happened. Maybe, it's more grandiosity than hope. Nice to think that one person's transformation can bring about such results.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 25 Oct 2012
Topic: Relationship and responsibility

That ego needs to go, if the individual is to change. Or at least maybe just a little less of it, at least. Doubtful, the individual can be ego-free.