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Forum: Insights Sat, 05 Dec 2009
Topic: Violence

nick carter wrote: One characteristic difference between humans and other animals is that humans have the capacity for gratuitous violence.

I'm afraid that animals, as well, have the characteristic for unnecessary violence. The headlines about the chimp that attacked and tore the face off its owner's friend is one example. Another is an aggressive dog that selectively bites one human(but not another) without provocation or tears a cat to shreads if given the chance. This natural world is violent. This week a 17 year old boy killed his 10 year old brother then went to see his girlfriend. She said he was happier and more cheerful than ever. When interrogated, the 17 year old said he had been having fantasies of killing someone for a few years now, not for any reason other than the desire to kill. Can such violence ever end in the human species?

nick carter wrote: We are reactors. When we're young, we're forcibly taught to be reactive by our instructors, and we go on to serve as instructive examples

Do you see a connection between being forcibly taught and violence? Many parents and teachers have used physical and verbal abuse to control (teach) children. Do you think centuries of these parenting and educational practices are in some way responsible for violence? Or is violence genetically encoded?

Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Dec 2009
Topic: Fasting; Clarity, Energy and Suspended Thought

As we close off the year, I like to fast for several days. Fasting seems to bring about a state of clarity and increased energy. Its properties of detoxification not only benefit the the body but seem to placate emotions and suspend thought, providing a keen alertness. Did Krishnamurti subscribe to any routine fasting? Do any readers here practise fasting? What have been the results of these fasts? Are there any changes in thought processes or awareness? From this point of view, I'd think that is so.

Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Dec 2009
Topic: Fasting; Clarity, Energy and Suspended Thought

This is my ninth fasting day and I have watched closely what has been going on with thought. But what is most interesting is the frequency of tranquility and silence. And reading K's teachings seems different now in this fasting state. I remember reading that K experimented with a variety of diets but do not recall if he did extended fasting.

Forum: Insights Tue, 08 Dec 2009
Topic: Fasting; Clarity, Energy and Suspended Thought

Fasting is usually done to detox the body. Different states of awareness seem to be by-products of the fast. Water fasting is the best and can accomplish as much in 10 days as a juice fast in 30 days. One fasts for the overall health of the body. Apparently K took care of his body as a 'calvary-man would care for his horse'. I will try to ask some others through email if they knew whether K fasted routinely as part of his body maintenance. Here is one of the best websites on fasting link text

Forum: Insights Wed, 09 Dec 2009
Topic: Fasting; Clarity, Energy and Suspended Thought

I've started reading "Krishnamurti: The Taormina Seclusion 1912" and as yet there is no mention of fasting, neither of K's nor his caregivers. During that time the theosophists were trying to bulk him up. But I'd appreciate anyone sharing quotes or memories about what K said of fasting. Something does happen to consciousness (awareness) during fasting. There's some sort of new sensitivity that's not available in a well-fed, grounded state.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 29 Dec 2009
Topic: The transformation

Dean R. Smith wrote: Elizabeth A. wrote: It is my responsibility to try to help people to undertake the transformation, if I can, and at least to confirm that it's possible for an ordinary person. As Krishnamurti once said: "The desire to help others (in these matters), is the beginning of mischief."

The humane quality of understanding the suffering of others and wanting to do something about it (compassion) "is the beginning of mischief"?? Seriously??

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 08 Mar 2010
Topic: What is the "bliss of compassion"?

Is it yet another promise of that which is in silence, when matter of the brain contacts the mind? And is that contact of brain with mind the abode of energy, intelligence, compassion, love? Are these empty promises of the teachings, or opportunities to the mundane for the ending of sorrow?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 08 Mar 2010
Topic: What is the "bliss of compassion"?

The promise is inferred. When carrots are dangled (bliss, energy, intelligence, love and compassion) it seems like a promise that silence of the brain yields those fruits. So when Krishnamurti spoke of the "bliss of compassion", I am interested. I am very interested in bliss and freedom from sorrow. Why? Sentience, as one of our human faculties, attributes our preference for bliss over sorrow. So what is the bliss of compassion, can one live with it daily?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 12 Mar 2010
Topic: Krishnamurti Foundations Worldwide

Anastasia, I just checked out the Recent Site Activity and saw that Randall and Patricia have 17 comments on your topic, but really never addressed your question. Perhaps Randal and Patricia should use instant messaging. If you have lost interest due to all the chit-chat, there is a really good comment addressing your question by David Loucks. I'd like to also share some of my experience with the foundations. The KFA in Ojai use to mail our group some K videos (free of charge) and we'd put them on the public access TV channels and show them to our weekly viewing group. I have also ordered several books and dvd's from them. But the best selection came from the Krishnamurti Trust in Brockwood. Almost all my DVD library was purchased through them at very reasonable prices. I think the KFA may indeed be financially strapped, in part, because of loans incurred to develop a retreat that has difficulty attracting visitors. The remodelling of the Oak Grove Retreat is very beautiful, but I suspect that the income is not making the bank payments or operation costs. As far as KFI, I have some publications from them that I consider real gems. There is another group in Thailand called the Quest Foundation, which sponsors a gathering and of course Gisele Balleys' annual gathering in Switzerland, which "from the heart", disseminate K's teachings. I hope this helps and that others contribute to your question specifically, and that the chaffer falls away.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 13 Mar 2010
Topic: Krishnamurti Foundations Worldwide

David, How can I contact the Lindley House?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 25 Apr 2010
Topic: How does one observe?

Observation uses all the physical senses and includes an alertness to thought qualities of assessment and distraction. Observation monitors the human condition within the environment. The subjective-objective continuum may be available to observation, or is it observation itself?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 06 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

We deceive ourselves that we are free of thought and somehow different from the rest of the human race because we are well versed in K's teachings. How long will this deception go on?? K, himself, was just a flicker. His teachings don't pay the bills. Reality has a harsh, loud, knock at our doors. When will we wake up?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 06 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

We deceive ourselves that we are free of thought and somehow different from the rest of the human race because we are well versed in K's teachings. How long will this deception go on?? K, himself, was just a flicker. His teachings don't pay the bills. Reality has a harsh, loud, knock at our doors. When will we wake up?

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 07 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Nick, Patricia and Kapila, It is nice to gather together with others who explore K's teachings. I suppose that's why we drop by this forum. The teachings "unify" our divided lot. I certainly question my opinions and find I'm more content having none. The bills are still there, divided or not, and the teachings are an escape from that mundane reality, briefly. Define me as you will.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 08 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Nick, LSD brings about new perceptions and sensations which "appear" to be the absolute truth to the individual. There are consistencies of these perceptions with ancient philosophical thought. LSD has been used therapeutically to change behavior. The thought of "karmic debt" is consistent with some religous teachings. The individual may choose to act upon these new perceptions and change behavior, but proselytising those perceptions and new behaviors may isolate the indivdual from peers, even start a new dogma.

Kapila, I like paradoxes and koans because they pry loose cemented thought. My perceptions are 98% mundane, I rarely enjoy the journey "outside the box". K's teaching were that ladder outside the prison cell, but everytime I returned the rountines remained. I love the teachings because of the freedom they bring, making the palpable mundane more comfortable, bills and all.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 16 Dec 2010
Topic: What're ya gonna do?

In that case, Nick, are you indicating that a mental disorder of the mind (insanity) produces a psychological identity? Isn't the psychological identity produced by the organism's brain, centered in an environment with sensory stimuli. Conditioning, memories, experiences have produced the psychological identity of the organism; each organism is physically divided from the other, yet unified, without boundaries, in an "expanded" sense. The psychological identity "organizes" and makes sense of the environment in which the organism functions. It's the absence of psychological identity which yields insanity and dysfunction. Yes, self-centered activity of that psychological identity may the the basis for society's ills and the world conditions may change, if that structure of identity changed. But, so far, it's only a K-hypothesis.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 24 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

"The moment you have in your heart this extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the ecstasy of it, you will discover that for you the world is transformed."

Did K really say this? Can someone tell me in what context this statement was made? What does it mean?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 25 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

I Googled the quote and it appears that K did say this. Patricia suggested that he said this during or shortly after his theosophy years, that he eventually ceased saying anything that may give people hope. Yet for years K continued to speak of love in a way that Nick referred to as "mythical". Throughout his life K stated that when self-centered activity begins, love ceases to be. Kapila has stated that the world is the collective expression of the self, and when the self is absent the world is constructed from a wholly different point of view, thus transformed. So when we see the condition of the world and even of our individual lives, most humans want transformation. Yes Patricia, desire arises from the self-centered person to be self-less if that's what is required to bring about change. K seemed to use the words transformation, revolution, and regeneration interchangeably. K continuously fed desire when he talked about those other ways of being in this world, about a world without divisive nationalism, religions, war, and personal conflicts. K instilled a sense of responsibility into the listener.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 25 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

Thank you Craig for the published date on that quote. I agree, Patricia and Eve, that negation can bring about a better understanding of love as defined by K. He asked, "Is love desire? Is love energy, intelligence, the immeasurable?"

Science of the brain has a different definition for love: dopamine and norepinephrine, measured by the picograms (a trillionth of a gram). The world does seem to change under the influence of these neurotransmitters. So if a walk down memory lane opens the door of a heart that had long ago been shut and love comes into being, what's the harm? Afterall, when love is, the self is not. If the beauty of a flower, the ocean, the mountains brings about love, why not give attention to these more frequently?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 26 Dec 2010
Topic: Love and Transformation

If that is love, Nick, then what was K talking about?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 02 May 2011
Topic: Osama bin Laden and the Wages of War

Always among us in one form or another: metamorphic terror, hatred, self-aggrandizment, arrogance, destruction. One man's world-view and intentions to change it, is another man's nightmare. If "you are the world", then you, too, are Osama bin Laden.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 07 May 2011
Topic: Honesty

Paul, As for voting in government elections, "The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." Alice Walker

Activism may be essential at critical at times in one's life, just as is self-honesty is daily life:

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Forum: General Discussion Sun, 08 May 2011
Topic: Honesty

Paul, Activism is staying informed and organized on issues dear-to-heart and taking action necessary to inform others in the position to bring about necessary change. Action is a response to one's sensitivities.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 08 May 2011
Topic: Osama bin Laden and the Wages of War

Are you in the grip of an opinion?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 14 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

If you had not happened upon that book, video or live presentation of K, where would you be? How has contact with what K had to say changed your life? Are you the world you want to observe? Have you given the energy to observe who you are, to be that silence, and to be in this world without authority, status, or knowledge?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 14 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Didn't K?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 14 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Didn't K advocate some kind of ideal?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

lidlo lady wrote: Who wouldn't take it as an indictment of what we are as compared to what we should be?

Isn't it an indictment of not being aware of what we are? Without the "should be", there is no comparison.

"There is only being and beginning...Order is the beginning, the source of an energy that can never diminish. To investigate it there must be an investigation of the senses and desire. That blessedness of order is when the mind does not have a single desire and the senses are operating fully, totally" Krishnaji Ch.35 of Pupul's book.

K pointed to our essence and potential. K helped me find a new way of looking.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

lidlo lady wrote: The "should be" is implied. If all he talked about was how we avoid or deny awareness, that would be one thing. But he went on interminably about states of mind and awareness that may as well be science-fiction.

What may seem like science fiction for some, was the resonance of truth for others. Indeed, the "should be" was frequently implied and at the same time vehemently denied.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 15 Jan 2012
Topic: Where would you be without K?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Giving the description of 'potential' in front of people trying to understand the 'essence' was still a potentially serious danger that could derail their investigation/enquiry by creating powerful illusions, would you agree?

I would not be inclined to say it was "a potentially seirous danger" nor would I think it "could derail their investigation/enquiry". Understanding one's essence and potential is seeing the integrity of being. Such understanding does begin with enquiry, investigation or experimentation.