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Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 15 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

I am in the process of writing a sequel to a book "The light at the center - context and pretext of modern mysticism" by Bharati. Like Bharati i am a cultural anthropologist and i am very interested in modern mystics. Would it be okay for me to use your discussion material (Robert Michael and Mark A. and others) for constructive critical work?. Continue with your discussion.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 15 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

yes, I am aware of that. however mystics influence people. It is this influence I am interested in.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 21 Sep 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Frankly conditioning is not that important. It really does not matter whether one is conditioned or not. Question is are you sensitive to everything. Do you have the native intelligence capacity to completely respond to daily challenges.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 21 Sep 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Very well said Patricia.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 22 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

Maleko (Mark) A. wrote: Sensitivity to danger is the highest expression of love, and indeed is the most recognizable quality of the new human being.

mark: This quote of yours is very true. My approach to expression is very different than yours and Bob's. Negation is essential to keeping and growing into sensitivity, I have no problem with handling knowledge. I take part in it technically at the highest level and I see it as necessary.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 22 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

Bob M.: By negation I mean freedom from the past (all knowledge). To me it is a inner process that comes after understanding and has the same effect as cleaning.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 23 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

Max: Agree.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 23 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

max: I forgot to add one sentence. You don't know "Now" until it is over.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 23 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

Robert Michael wrote: Why would anyone want to be free from all past knowledge or knowledge of his past? This seems like some sort of a trick of the mind or the self that will produce no real results. One of which I think K was guilty of doing at times. Shouldn't we rather strive to be free of the consequences of our past ACTIONS and BEHAVIORS that were grounded in falsely-conditioned self-will and concealed by pride rather than them being grounded in love and truth? Bob M.

You are stating what I said a day or two ago that there is no need to get rid of conditioing by analysis. Conditioning is knowledge and can be properly utilized by a healthy and awakened brain. Negation has many forms of expression - the highest expression is meditation, then after fragmentation (intellect) it takes the form of critical thinking, and in its grossest form it takes the form of personal criticism or hate.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 24 Sep 2009
Topic: Krishnamurti and Bohm on the Physical Brain.....

Mark: Happy hunting and gathering.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Fri, 25 Sep 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

phil K wrote: then there is a great deal of danger to the system as it believes its conditionings are real instead of a simple process of memory.

This statement is really great and the person who can see this for real will change instantly.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sat, 26 Sep 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Max: Yes. It can be observed all of it in one glance, and that is the only way I know how to poof away.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 28 Sep 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Phil: I don't believe creation of duality was a mistake. Overriding importance of duality (thinker and thought) has gone out of control and is in the process of correction.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sat, 17 Oct 2009
Topic: The Nature of Faith

Phil: Rational and real.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 09 Nov 2009
Topic: Can we consider Krishnamurti as continuity of Budha

K's teachings are more akin to vedanta and not buddha.

Forum: Insights Sun, 15 Nov 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Skipping is choice, an escape.This is in the field of self and will not end conflict (fear, sorrpw, lonliness, pain etc.). On the other hand, the movement of awareness is observing each thought and allowing it to go effortlessly. There is no judgement as 'like' or 'dislike'. It is 'special' because only a simple mind acts in this manner and mind of superficial people is very complicated.

Not true. Awareness, understanding, and negation are one single movement. if you are observing thought effortlessly without understanding and negating you are only fooling yourself.

Forum: Question authority Mon, 23 Nov 2009
Topic: contradiction in JK's teaching

There is no contrdiction in K's talks and writings. There are many paradoxes. Thought by nature has paradoxes and one must see these paradoxes to go beyond, otherwise one is stuck in a circle of thought (do loop). K tried to show his audience and bring them along to these paradoxes so that they could go beyond. Unfortunately very few could see this for real and they still don't.

Forum: Question authority Tue, 24 Nov 2009
Topic: contradiction in JK's teaching

Ganesan b<; you are a very stupid person.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 26 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

This from a real mystic:

"Excerpt(s): In 1958, during my first American year, as a Research Associate of the Far Eastern Institute of the University of Washington in Seattle in the marvelous Pacific Northwest, I was one of the first people to experiment with that exquisite product of Messrs. Sandoz of Basle, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, LSD-25. I believe Leary and Alpert had just barely heard about it at that time. I have reason to believe that I obtained material from the first batch Sandoz produced, and quite officially transmitted to some medical and biochemical research centers in this country. I had read the Doors of Perception; I found some of Huxley's speculations about the mystical quite delightful, but not too significant-and I was under the impression that he did not really try to establish his mescalin experience as a mystical one, but as strongly hedonic.

LSD and other psychotomimetic drugs go badly, very badly, with set-up "clinical," laboratory-test conditions. They have to be taken with warm people, friends, and very preferably in the company of a person with whom the taker has a profound sexual involvement, not as yet curtailed by duration and routine. During my third take I was with a very beautiful woman. She was a nominal Buddhist, but not really concerned with religious matters. We took the drug around 8 p.m., listened to Bach and Purcell (whose Ode to St. Cecilia's Day ... is the most powerful psychedelic music I have known), and it was a highly pleasant, lovely experience, with incense, friendly people, no psychiatrists, and the proper paraphernalia around. ... [The next morning] as I kissed her body, I had a marvelous vision: her whole womb took on a bright golden hue, it looked, and this thought struck me immediately, like the brahmanda, the Golden Egg of the Indian cosmogony; and inside it, millions of entities, looking like so many fish, were copulating in fast, perfectly rhythmical motion. (pages 42-43)

As so often in this study, I must adduce the psychotomimetic experience as a heuristic parallel, for this is precisely what it is, and the most adequate one we can think of at this time. In hedonic, erotically charged, musically supported, ritualistically informal LSD sessions, with unworried, concerned, mystically inclined people around, and with a dose of 200 micrograms of pure unblended LSD, the average taker enters the deepest place roughly four and a half hours after the take. This phase lasts about one hour, whereafter it ebbs off. During this phase the taker is often removed from the discursive world of subjects, objects, and things. ... This is the parallel: the mystic teaches and looks after the things of the world at all times when he is not right inside the zero-experience. In it, he won't make the effort although he could, for the simple reason that there is no desire toward making any effort. (pages 47-48)

When the mystic says, "I function better in the world, as I have mystical vision, etc.," he means to say,"having had the zero-experience (once, twice, often), I function better."; but he cannot mean "whenever I am in the zero-experience, I function better" simply because during the experience one cannot function at all. The analogy with love is not far-fetched. A person in love may be more aware, sensitive, alive to his world. But in sexual intercourse? (page 50)

The late R. C. Zaehner, the best educated and the shrewdest apologist for Christian mysticism, said "very many nature mystics have thought the same (i.e. that the identification of nature and God is wholly natural and self-evident) because they have been deceived (italics supplied) by the mere sensation of union or unity into the belief that the object of such union must always be the same." ...

"Nature mysticism" is a term of reprimand-a persuasive term again, not a descriptive one. For of course whatever we generate in ourselves is part of nature, since we are part of nature on anyone's account, pantheistic, monistic, theistic, or "pan-en-theistic," to quote Zaehner's pedantic term. ... If you postulate that there is a God and that he is different from Nature ... then every zero-experience that does not take cognizance of that separate God is "nature mysticism," since there is no tertium quid besides God and Nature. (page 51)

When Aldous Huxley reported about the multifluorecence of his flannel trousers or the leg of the chair, it just wasn't his ordinary flannel suit or the leg of an ordinary chair-these were shorthand, poetically, consciously, or even unconsciously chosen words to hint euphoric content, maybe under conscious avoidance of theological terms. Zaehner wondered why Huxley did not mention God a single time when he reported about his mescalin experience. Huxley, like Zaehner, had heard words galore about the brahman, about the advaitic experience, about God. It was not that his experience was unrelated to these concepts, but he simply chose to use non-theological terms for, I think, pedagogical reasons. God-talk had driven him out of Christianity, God-talk later drove him out of Vedanta. Why should he perpetuate it when he really got on to something important? (pages 57-58)

... Mystics may talk about anguish and longing in their post-zero ruminations; but this is due to their post-zero and inter-zero ideological ascriptions and identifications. I watched two very young hippies in California take LSD for the first time. Their experience, judging from their reports, was very different indeed from the experiences of similar takers. Both of them received genuine zero-experiences, and neither ascribed it to any Judeo-Christian ideology. These two young people reported the clear union experience, and along with it, they reported their pleasure (which was non-sexual or not directly sexual at the time), their being totally engulfed by it, their feeling that this was the basic state of things, but not the answer to their problems and questions. They did not report that they felt their experience was noble or morally good or bad until twenty-four hours later, when they made love, had reflected about what had happened, and had talked to other senior takers, some of whom were spurious mystics, and all of whom were serious, senior hippies with records of at least one acid trip per week for at least one year. Their leader confided to me that he was not at all satisfied with the reports given by this young pair of lovers who had just walked in by chance; it did not fit the leader's variety of Zen mysticism nor the cosmic plans and models which he said are inevitable concomitants of the proper experience. (pages 71-72)

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Thu, 26 Nov 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

phil K wrote: I say this as I leave soon to a fattening luncheon served with wine. Not much hypocrisy there is there. Happy Thanksgiving

Same here. Thoughts have overpowered our organism and we need to have organism use thoughts as necessary is the main problem and solution as i see it. happy Thanksgiving.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Fri, 25 Dec 2009
Topic: Classic Conditioning

Phil: You started out well but ended in giving reasons for stress. Only reason I see humans developing conceptualizing intelligence is to find a way back to intelligence. It is a serious paradox, not a flaw or mistake.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 31 Dec 2009
Topic: The transformation

This whole brain mechanism is pretty simple really. In one glance one can see the operation of the whole brain. In this glance the entire contents of the brain (thoughts, the world, and their mutual relationships), fall in place - there is a sense of natural order and beauty.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 01 Jan 2010
Topic: The transformation

Nick: reminds me of conversation between shaumberg, Bohm, and K where Shaumberg keeps saying why don't we see it, if it is so obvious.

Underneath all the person's activities, inner order already exists. Nothing can be done about it. This order can only be seen and that is the end of it.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 12 Feb 2010
Topic: Awareness is already here

Good. All problems solved.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 14 Feb 2010
Topic: Awareness is already here

Thought is just a tool.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 18 Feb 2010
Topic: Going!!

mark exley wrote: feelings as other or as the observed

Can you elaborate on this. I don't understand what you mean here.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 09 Apr 2010
Topic: The intellect will not solve your problems

Erol: one is born with it. In my case I was aware of the presence of oneness with the world since ten years old. Later I lost that touch. However I always had this feeling that i had found my home and there was no one or anything that could take it away from me. And then accidently I came across K's book and in it I was able to relate it back and found peace and passion.

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