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Forum: Insights Tue, 04 Aug 2009
Topic: Real truth?

Hello, Shawn. Can truth be recognised by what someone says about it? If i recognise truth in other person's words, then I must be listening to a concept of truth in my own mind. Won't listening to truth,a state,be different from listening to words? regards!

Forum: Question authority Fri, 07 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Hello, Chafia Abdi.While observing,should it be made a precondition that I will not call my situation"Despair"? Total attention will catch everything that is coming on the screen of consciousness. If I don't observe everything,then I am escaping from my thoughts and feelings.In this case my state of despair will persist at one or other level. But if I am observing with total attention, then disorder of despair becomes order without any desire on my part to make it so.That movement of attention will dissolve the state of despair but 'YOU' will never know it.If 'YOU' come in to analyse what is happening, then despair is back from another door! Regards.

Forum: Question authority Fri, 07 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Dear Randal Shacklett,in the technical field,in the physical world we make effort to improve things and our comfort level. When we start applying the same formula psychologically to gain happiness,peace,love etc.the conflict starts.Thoughts produce desires of the opposing kind resulting in conflict and emotional disturbances. As long as I am trying to achieve more psychologically, the conflict will persist.To my mind this inner movement of thought is the root cause of conflict. Regards!

Forum: Question authority Fri, 07 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Dear Monic Devi, humanity has always been in conflict.If you want to do something about it ,then dissolve your inner conflict first.Knowledge of the cause and origin of conflict is not going to help in dissolving your conflicts. Observation, Awareness, Total Attention is the way to dissolve conflict and only you can do something about it. Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sun, 09 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Chafia Abdi wrote: Suppose I am in conflict with my diffrent desires tearing in all directions, Am I in a situation to look clearly? I am confused I can't neither observe nor be attentive? What shall I do?

Are you not observing different desires tearing in different direction?So,it becomes clear that one can observe in confused state. Now, please understand the relationship between Movement of attention and dissolution of conflict.The thoughts related to conflict will continue but when you are observing and moving with the movement of thought, then the emotinal content attached to thought gets weakened and finally get dissolved. It sounds complicated but actually it is not.The point to understand is the Movement and not be attached to the contents. Regards!

Forum: Question authority Sun, 09 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Randal Shacklett wrote: Yes, but can you demonstrate how this "inner movement of thought", becomes WWII?

That is Quite simple,Sir.Inner movement of thought does produce emotions in us.If you continue to repeat a thought,its emotional component becomes stronger.If the emotin is negative like hate,angeretc. and also present collectively then you have WWars.

Regards!

Forum: Question authority Sun, 09 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Chafia Abdi wrote: At what extent this watching can change anything in me or in human concoiussness. I can't deceive myself by pretending anything new happened. I watched. So, what?

Dear Chafia Abdi,you don't have to pretend anything.Watching doesn't change anything at that instant.It is Quite possible that watching may increase the pain of conflict.In that case,do not escape but keep on watching.Remember that self watching is the start of wisdome...The kind of Wisdome that helps you in understanding the nature of conflict.Then the trap you are making for youself starts becoming clearer and you are able to avoid them because now you understand them.

Regards!

Forum: Question authority Tue, 11 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Monic Devi wrote: So, if there is peace within, and one exists in this chaotic world, how does one relate to this world, and to the relationships in the immediate environment?

The 'if'' at the start of your question is the reason for not finding the answer by yourself, Monic Devi.When you actually have peace within, such questions drop.The world will continue in its own way but you have changed.then relationship with your immediate environment is not a problem as dealing with a burning flame is not a problem for a flowing river! So, find that inner dynamic state of peace and you will have the answer of your question.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Tue, 11 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Randal Shacklett wrote: But isn't thought itself, thinking itself, a division?

Sir, is thought a division for the totallity of my existence?

To my mind,the thought itself is naming its own activity as division and then acting accordingly.

Randal Shacklett wrote: And division seems to always produce conflict, doesn't it?

Once the thought has named and accepted something as division, then it is off to on an unending journey of conflict and despair.

Randal Shacklett wrote: And also, outer events encite emotional response, no?

I don't know about you but I differentiate between the two like this.What thought produces in us is emotion and what real outer events produce are feelings.The later produce appropriate action and the action produced by former is always leading to more conflict psychollogically.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sat, 15 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Randal Shacklett wrote: Yes, why this feeling of division from all else?

Experiencing is always in the present.The mind verbalises and stores the experience in memory.Psychological memory creats a centre as 'I' which starts feeling itself as real, alive and separate.Is'nt the formation of this centre the root cause of division?

Randal Shacklett wrote: What seperates?

This 'I' separates one from experiencing the movement of life in now moment.

Randal Shacklett wrote: Ah, but this seperation gives comfort.

Naturally! This identity once formed ,becomes very valuable and important for the individual.

Randal Shacklett wrote: It says one is not lost.

'I' wants to be in the driver's seat all the time...All knowing and all powerful!

Randal Shacklett wrote: What could it be?

Sir, this Question is not clear to me.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sat, 15 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Chafia Abdi wrote: In other words, I would like to ask a question. Is it necessary to go through all this? To watch my reactions? to watch my responses? to observe diligently my relationship with others(intimate or non intimate)?

If one is not watching thought, feeling and action, then how will observation power and awareness improve?Without self knowledge,how do I expect to become wiser in understanding my relationships with everything?

Chafia Abdi wrote: Isn't it accepting another pattern ?

My understanding is that pattern form only when mind starts evaluating , judging etc. and accepts the conclusions as final.Moving in observation doesn't allow time to enter and form a pattern.

Chafia Abdi wrote: According to discussions in this forum hundred of people have done this in K's world. What's the point? It doesn't change a thing. Still sarcastic, still self-centred, still competitive

The point becomes relevant when I decide to be free from my pain, sorrow, fear etc.I don't think you mean it seriousely when you write that this does not change a thing.You are not responsible for what you observe all around you.When I change, the whole world appears different though it actually is same as before.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sat, 15 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict
Randal Shacklett wrote:
Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:

Randal Shacklett wrote: But isn't thought itself, thinking itself, a division?

Sir, is thought a division for the totallity of my existence?

To my mind,the thought itself is naming its own activity as division and then acting accordingly.

Randal Shacklett wrote: And division seems to always produce conflict, doesn't it?

Once the thought has named and accepted something as division, then it is off to on an unending journey of conflict and despair.

Randal Shacklett wrote: And also, outer events encite emotional response, no?

I don't know about you but I differentiate between the two like this.What thought produces in us is emotion and what real outer events produce are feelings.The later produce appropriate action and the action produced by former is always leading to more conflict psychollogically.

Regards.

So feelings are approprate resonses and emotions are not? Be more specific, name some "feelings" and then, name some"emotions" and describe why you differentiate between them and how they are different from the big 3. Pleasure-pain-fear.

I have not said that one is appropriate and other is not.Naming a few feeling or a few emotion won't help because words are not the real things.They are both states...one generated by real event and other by thoughts.

The need for writting about the difference between the two arose because I wanted you to understand clearly what I am trying to tell you.They are both observed as facts by me.

The big three Pleasure,pain and fear are the emotions felt by self.They are thought generated and are naming is done by the self according to its concern or interest.

The real life can also produce feelings akin to fear,pain,pleasure but they are not preceded by words.When thought takes over and comment on real life event, then these feelings become emotions...a waste of enegy leading to all kinds of conflict.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sun, 16 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Randal Shacklett wrote: All the mind can feel, is Like(pleasure-good-right), or dislike(pain-bad-wrong), or fear(anger-fright). That is it. K refered to that as "choice". Sorry Doc, but all other "facts" "observed" by you are simply imagination.

Sir, when the mind is feeling 'like', 'dislike' or 'fear', what happens when you become attentive towards these feelings? What is the 'state of silence' in the mind?And the clarity which suddenly blesses you when every dancing leaf of a tree comes alive?The sense of joy that is there when you are playing with children- is that joy imaginary?

Sir, aren't the reactions of self different from responses that we make to living movement of life?Does observing stop when the self is absent?What the mind can not analyse and understand,sould all those 'Facts' come under the category of 'Imagination'?

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sun, 16 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Randal Shacklett wrote: But those are all mechanical responses. Given from memory. Not directly observed facts.

Sir, on what have you based this observation?

Is it possible to reply to anything without the help of memory?Can the other person ever know that the response he is hearing is actually being given mechanically or non-mechanically?Or the person replying can only know the truth of it?If I label a response as mechanical, is it not coming from my own storehouse of knowledge and experiences?If I do not understand what is correct way of 'Listening' then won't everything that I hear will appear as mechanical to me?

Randal Shacklett wrote: What is the fundamental essence of "I"?

I can only share with you what to me is the fundamental essence of 'I'.At one stage one understands the nature of emptiness of oone's own mind.Mind fills up this emptiness with lots of knowledge and experiences.The experiences and knowledgeto which we react psychollogically, they form the fundamental essence of 'I'.

Randal Shacklett wrote: I did not ask those questions with the expectation of answers

Sir,not expecting something is expectation, No?(That is to make you smile)

Randal Shacklett wrote: Questions and answers are a form of information exchange and not enquiry

Is it not possible to combine the two? I exchange information with you and the live movement of enquiry goes on within me.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sun, 16 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Chafia Abdi wrote: Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: If one is not watching thought, feeling and action, then how will observation power and awareness improve? Look Dr. When you use "Improve" you allow time to be the factor. It is becoming is it not? It will take a lifetime.

Not "improve as in improving the efficiency of an engine.That will take time.What I was referring to wasthe state of improvement which will make itself clear from moment to moment.When my interest, intensity and intentions gain more energy, then more moments are available to observing.That is "Improvement of a different kind,isn't it?

Isn't becoming always in the field of self? That state when the self is not,is not of time.The self may argue that this transformation will take a lifetime, but is it right to listen to it about something that it has never experienced?

Chafia Abdi wrote: Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Moving in observation doesn't allow time to enter and form a pattern. Of course it does. This diligent process of watching, observing is the perpetuation of the self in another form. I'll be better.

Then we are referring to two different things.In movement of observing how can time enter when there is no leakage of energy as thought? Isn't thought time?In pure observation there is no entity(self) that wants to become better because observation of facts takes up your total energy.

Chafia Abdi wrote: Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: I don't think you mean it seriousely when you write that this does not change a thing.You are not responsible for what you observe all around you.When I change, the whole world appears different though it actually is same as before. I am deadly serious and I mean it. Look Sir, It is possible to watch, observe diligently, etc... But I am caught in a the process of enquiry. It is time consuming. I will die at the end of it? It has no deep fundamental value if I want to see the origin of it, the source of it. You see, in your response you speak of becoming wiser. It is that becoming which leads nowhere. It is destructive.

Are you caught inthe process of enquiry if you are not searching for an answer,or a goal?Is it time consuming when you don't have to reach anywhere?Why not die every moment? Is it possible to find the origin of an endless process?The source of a process which has no starting point?

To my mind becoming is very destructive if you really want to arrive somewhere.What about being with the living flame of dis-satisfaction which is all the time pushing us to become this or that? May be that holds the answer to our "becoming wiser" in the real sense!What do you say to that?

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Thu, 20 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Randal Shacklett wrote: The last question you ask, I'll re-phrase it a little, see if it seems logical. Can I use knowledge, to get past knowledge?

Sir,isn't all knowledge of past? Can there be knowledge of present? Of future?

All knowledge is stored in memory in the form of words, symbol images.The thoughts come to the foreground by association, recollection or necessity etc.They either move with their own energy( psychological) without coming under the light of awareness of the individual or one can be aware of their movement.So, using knowledge to get past knowledge, to my mind is just aoother thought.

Randal Shacklett wrote: If "live movement of enquiry" goes on within you, do you need the exchange of information? The idea of "live movement of enqiry", is not the reality, sorry

Sir, exchanging information is lots of fun for me.I don't think about it from the point of 'need'.

My understanding is that "live movement of enquiry" is first of all not an idea.It is a dynamic,vital, live state.It remains pure as long as no attempt is made to satisy it with an answer.This moving, enquiring energy makes pure perception possible, not allowing thoughts to interfere.

Randal Shacklett wrote: I know it sounds cliche, but observasion is, when thought, which IS self, is absent. Thought can only fade to the background, when the senses, all senses, are tuned in to the foreground. It's an art, listening/watching.

When senses are in the foreground, then thought fades.When thought is in the foreground, the senses lose clarity of their function.The Art of listening/ watching will include observing both.When thougts are related to what our senses observing with total attention, then their presence does not necessarily indicate the presence of 'self'.

Regards.'

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sun, 23 Aug 2009
Topic: the image process...

Sir, may I join in the discussions?

All yor posts are very deep and informative about Right/ Left brain functioning.I have few simple questions related to self image.It will enhance my understanding if you will be kind enough to answer them.

The silence in the mind, when self is not active, is that also divisible in right and left part?The same question arises about attention also.

So far my understanding was that every non technical thought that is arising in the mind is coming from the self and each such thought further strengthens the self image.The background of such thought is an emptiness.If there are two self, then does this emptiness also originate in right and left side separately?

Please do not take any offence but isn't all the information about right and left brain having different self images further strengthning the self? Isn't this information similar to the information a religeous man carries in his mind about his religeon?I am asking this to understand one thing-Will all this information and knowledge not become a hindrance when one takes the journey of dissolving the self?How can one avoid this trap?

My sincere regards.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Mon, 31 Aug 2009
Topic: the image process...

Phil Sir, first of all I want to thank you for helping me in having a better understanding of the functioning of my own brain.After reading your post,I decided to 'see' for myself as to what is the role my right/left brain play my day to day life .

What I wanted to know was the type of memory they store.Also which part is better equipped in observing which kind of happenings,incidents of my day to day life.

I will appreciate it very much if you would let me know as to what you think of it all.

Sir, for the first time I made some interesting discoveries.Now I understand that left brain is more active and efficient in observing what eyes are seeing and the ears are hearing.It brings clarity in the functioning of these two sense organs which basically help us in our interaction with the outside world.

As long as the observation was total , that is when the attention was complete , this part was not forming any words and not recording anything.When the attention is gone, then only words came to record the experience.These words were stored in memory and could be recalled at a later time.

So, when I close my eyes and take my attention to left part of my head/brain,the thoughts that I encounter are related to the outside world.The facts and figures of the outside world are there.My activities are stored there in the form of words.What I have made/done with my own hands ,they are stored in this part as images which can be seen with closed eyes as many times as I wish.The words that I heard while interacting with the outside world are also stored in left brain.So, this part is there to help me in becoming a better 'actor' in the field of action.

This is all very difficult to put in print, Sir.Looking at the functioning of my mind I have been doing for a very long time but understanding all this in the light of the right/left brain thing is new.

I have much more to share but I have to go somewhere now.Kindly let me know what you think about what I have shared.I am quite excited by the whole thing.Your posts have helped me, so dont think of discontinuing this, please.

I will be in touch ASAP.

My sincere regards!

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Tue, 01 Sep 2009
Topic: the image process...

phil K wrote: Now how do we see this if the one who sees is the left brain in our interpretation of things? Isnt this K's critical question? How do we change if the thing we have to change is not even observable by the left brain thinker? How do I have a change in my emotional right brain response to people, if the thinker cannot even access this process of memory?

Sir,I can only speak about myself.My mind is carrying out these functions--1)When the attention is directed outwards(left brain) it is observing the outer world activities.Then it stores whatever it has experienced in the left brain.

2)All my activities with emotional response are recorded in right brain.

3)I have experimented and found that frontal area has the ability to give clarity to observation of both left and right brain.When this is active,no words or images are formed in right or left brain

4)There is another activity of the brain going on.It is the ability to observe without recognition.This originates in the occipital area.Sir, this is the activity of the brain which corelates and brings harmony in the functioning of left and right brain.The thinking part has no access to emotional right brain but observation without recognition has its own intelligence.It is this activity of the brain that dissolves the image with its emotional response.

There is a relationship between the breathing process and movement of attention.this allows us to shift attention from right to left to frontal or occipital area.Once the attention can move freely in the whole of brain(lighting its every part easily and naturally), then image making macchinery becomes ineffective.This is the only practical way to dissove it.Rest all is theory.That is my understanding,Sir.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Fri, 04 Sep 2009
Topic: Questioning authority

Clive Bunnett wrote: When questioning authority, does that mean that we reject it?

If you reject or accept anything, the questioning has stopped,isn't that so?

My understanding about it is like this--The answer to this Question can not be given in words because the questioning implies a state of mind that is ever moving.It is recieving input, watching everything attentively, not accumulating anything psychologically.

By rejecting or accepting you can not break free of the system.Questioning mind is very alive and is always in a state of dissatisfaction,Sir.That flame of dissatisfaction actually frees you from authority .There is no need for rejection or acceptance as a different kind of sensitivity and intelligence is operating.

Regards.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sat, 05 Sep 2009
Topic: the image process...

Phil Sir,Thank you very much for your encouraging words.Iwill gladly share with you whatever is my understanding of the functioning of my own mind.

Ihave been doing some thinking and feei that the best way to share what we know would be to take a journey in to my mind and record its responses as they arise.

Now ,if we start an experiment like this, then we would be doing these things-

1) Observing in present moment the activities of my own mind.

2)Describing those observation in words.

3)Explaining any co- relatinship between the functioning of different parts of my brain.

Sir, if you want to add anything to this, please do so.

My understanding is that different parts of brain actually respond differently to the same challenge .So, initially I willlabel them as part A,B,C etc.Later on we call them by their proper names. At the momment I am posting this reply.I would like to describe all that is happening in my mind.Whatever activity I observe,I will try to put that in words.I am taking a part of your post and observe everything as my mind prepares to post a reply to it.

phil K wrote: This is exactly what I had hoped to hear someday on here. Thank you so much for this response. The experiential is by far the most important thing here.

PartA--Reading your statement with full attention.Rest of the brain is silent.The attention picking up the sound being made by the fan,feeling of coolness on skin, noticing the warm surface of key pad etc.

(This part is observing whatever is happening Now in my environment)

PartB--(The attentionshifted to this part which is forming words).It is saying"This is good.He has understood what I have written.Very few people understand these things.World will be a better place if more people would take interest in this field.What else can I write? He has asked some questions.Do i know the answer to them? Can I consult a book?..."

(This part is forming words as if you are sitting in front of me or adderessing the world or society.The focus of attention is still mainly on the words of your post and whatever is stored in my memory , technical or factual, will be used by this part to form answers.)

PartC--(While reading your post, partA did the observing of a feeling of elation or happiness inside the brain.This part has retained the memory of that positive feeling.If part A had wanted,then it could have localised the origin of that feeling in this part at the time of observing.)

PartC--"He is such a nice man! I am delighted to make his aquaintance.One day all these people will recognise my name.Ihave so much knowledge in these matters.He has made my day..."

(Sir, this part is forming words as if it is talking to me.Whatever is in my self interest,or self concern will activate this part.In noticing the activity of this part my attention is directed inside my skull.This part can not directly know the actual events going on in my environment.It captures the feeling part that are generated in response to actual events or to psychological thoughts)

PartD--(This is behind or deeper than partsA,B,C.My attention is directed inwards to be in touch with this part)

PartD--Observing with diffuse kind of attention the field of part B and C.Under its observation these are quite ,sort of resting.Even when this part allows them to form words to answer your post but they are unable to form any words.The agitation, the feverishness of these two parts has subsided under partD's observing.As for the relationship of this part with partA,the part A can start its activity of observing only when part D allows it to.The two can not co-exist.When part D permits it or an emergency arises , part A will immediately takeover and full attention will be directed to the part of environment requiring a response.

Sir, this in nutshell is what has been happening in my mind while it was trying to answer your post.This is understood that the parts of brain were not operating in sequence.

The inter-relationships of different parts we shall continue to understand with different examples in future.Please let me know what you think about all this.The topic being very complicated, it will require a lot of patience on your part.

My technical knowledge in the matters of functioning of mind is very limited.If you will explain the details of a technical term or phenomenon , then I may share my understanding about it with you.

If I receive an early reply from you, I shall try my best to send another post tomorrow.

My sincere regards!

Forum: Insights Tue, 08 Sep 2009
Topic: What To Do With a Guru

nick carter wrote: Appearances can deceive and words can mislead, but if you can read between lines, you can recognize a disguise

Who is capable of reading between the lines?

Will it be of any help if Pot is calling the kettle black?

Forum: Insights Wed, 09 Sep 2009
Topic: What To Do With a Guru

ganesan balachandran wrote: I really need a guru to understand all these things gb

No, Sir, to understand the activities of your mind, to know with what it is occupied, you require no Guru.What will a true Guru do accept telling you to become more and more observant in life.He can point out certain things but the journey of understanding is to be undertaken by each one of us.And Sir, once you are capable of observing yor thought, feeling and action, then it doesn't matter what the other person is trying to teach you.You will have the key that dissolves sorrow, lonliness, fear etc in you.

Regards.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 09 Sep 2009
Topic: the image process...

Sir, good evening.

Before proceeding further with our discussion, I think it will be better if I share my understanding of attention with you.

Sir,think of attention as a torch that lights both our environment and the activities going on in our mind.Now I will try to corelate this with the activities of different parts of my brain. 1) When I am observing the room in which I am sitting ,my attention is sort of illuminating the room and filling it up with clarity.Now this outwardly directed attention will gather all the information, the left brain will verbalise it,record and store it.This information is ABOUT whatever the mind is observing in my environment.

2) This outwards directed attention has the ability to illuminate both the whole field and the smallest area in the environment.That means it can obseve a thing totally and can also focus on a part .

3) Now a very important point comes about which very few people have any understanding.For this torch of attention to direct its beam inwards to observe the activities of the brain, I have to blink my eyes and then only the direction can change.Please experiment with this and let me know your observations.

4) When instead of illuminating and observing the environment, if the inwards directed attention is receiving sensations(like/dislike, pleasure/painetc) then the right brain is receiving them.

5) When looking at my own body with outward directed attention, the left brain will observe mainly the limbs.(Interaction with the outer world is mainly by action and this is performed by limbs.)

6) When looking at my body with inward directed attention,the right brain will bring in to focus the sensations arising out of torso and face .(touch,taste,smell sensory organs are there.)

7) Inward directed attention can change direction again towards outside only when the eyes blink.

8) One can actually sense the attention focussed and located in the right or left part of brain.Also it is possible to shift the focus and location of attention from right to left and vice-versa by blinking the eyes.Same goes for changing direction of attention from right or left part of brain outwards and vice- versa.

9) Blinking the eyes each time the direction is to be changed is a must.One can do so voluntarily and it also occures naturally without our being aware of blinking.

10) Now, take the example of listening to a song.If the song is well known to you,you will start mentally singing and this activity will occure in left brain.But if the song is new , then right brain will receive it.Also if the mind focusses on the instrumental part the right brain receives music.If lyrics is focussed on, then left brain receives it.

11) Beam of the torch of Attention can also be directed to top of the crown by the blinkig of the eyes(Occipital area). It can also be focussed in the frontal area in the same manner.

I will request you to experiment with the whole range of these activities of the brain.Become familiar and adept in bringing your attention to all the four areas of brain .One should be able to know instantly whether the beam of attention is directed inward or outward.Why are all these movement of attention related to blinking of the eyes, I don't know.If you can throw some light on this, that will be a help in my understanding it better.

In my next post, I will share my understanding about Libet's half second delay with you.

I have not forgotten the main point of this topic--Image formation and can we function without forming images.Soon everything will start connecting.

It is a nice feeling to be able to discuss these things with a friend freely.

My sincere regards!

Forum: Question authority Thu, 10 Sep 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

Randal Shacklett wrote: He pointed out very clearly that Individual self expression was the cause of societies ills.

Sir, the machinery of the mind has to be used by all of us whenever we have to communicate with others.When I express myself under the influence of pleasure/pain orsuccess/failure duality, then that expression becomes the cause of society's ills.

But when silence is at the root of my self expression/action, then love is operating, a different kind of intelligence is operating.Then we have freedom,not from something,but freedom which is dynamic and in which virtue flourishes.Sure, we all have a mind and it is the responsibility of each to discover this freedom.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Thu, 10 Sep 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

Monic Devi wrote: It does not allow women the individual right of freedom to express who they truly are, rather, who they "should be"

Who you truly are? Can one ever find out? If you find the answer to the first question, then won't that answer become what they should be?

Freedom from ssomething can be denied to any individual (man or woman ) but was K reffering to this kind of freedom in his teaching?

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Fri, 11 Sep 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

Randal Shacklett wrote: Sorry doc, but silence and self, expressed or unexpressed, are mutually exclusive. Regards

Sir, will you be kind enough to explain the relationship between the ability of a mirror (which is at its core empty )to form images and images themselves?Would you consider them mutually exclusive? Or later activity is possible because of the former Quality?What would happen if the mirror got attached to one of the images formed when the real object is no more in front of it? (Our hypothetical mirror has memory of what it has seen in the past)

If possible co-relate this with silence and self discussion.

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sat, 12 Sep 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Randal Shacklett wrote: Sorry doc, but silence and self, expressed or unexpressed, are mutually exclusive. Regards Sir, will you be kind enough to explain the relationship between the ability of a mirror (which is at its core empty )to form images and images themselves?Would you consider them mutually exclusive? Or later activity is possible because of the former Quality?What would happen if the mirror got attached to one of the images formed when the real object is no more in front of it? (Our hypothetical mirror has memory of what it has seen in the past) If possible co-relate this with silence and self discussion. Regards.

Randal Shacklett wrote: Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: form images and images themselve The mirror has no ability to form anything. Don't you think that inventing non-existant scenierios to prove or disprove a point, is a form of insanity?

Sir,First I thought I will let the whole thing pass, but then finally decided to respond.

I had asked a few question in order to make something clearer from my point of view in the discussion.What I got in return reply from a learned man like you was a warning that insanity might be waiting for me round the corner.

I am very thankful to you for this early warning,Sir.Previousely I used to think that to avoid insanity one sould be careful about not being lonely or frustrated or deppressed or aggressive or have inflated ego about one's knowledge or possessions etc.

Those like me who blunder in our replies,sould we stop posting in this forum?Are we driving you insane,Sir?

My best wishes and Regards.

Forum: Insights Sun, 13 Sep 2009
Topic: Four Questions of One and the Same

One can undertake the journey of life with 'seeing' eyes or gather a lot of knowledge about life.Former wil put you in touch with depth and richness of life, the later wil make you a scholar.

The like will know the like.Superficial can only touch superficial .If one speaks from the heart, he will touch the heart of the other person.Usually, people do not listen to what the other person is saying.They are all the time waiting for their turn to speak!

If one want to stand on one's"feet", then the road to this state passes through the right understanding of concept,ideas, theories etc. which are all thoughts.In all relationships,one's own state of mind is of utmost importance, No?

Regards.

Forum: Question authority Sat, 31 Oct 2009
Topic: psychological authority

max greene wrote: That which is beyond the mind, beyond the Self, beyond beliefs, is . . . you. You--all of us--are living; we are alive now, in the moment. It cannot be otherwise. Our authority is awareness and intelligence in the moment.

Hi Max

What all this'You' include, Sir? The body, our action, desires,pleasures and pain,the self, compassion,love,intelligence etc. are included in this 'You' or not? If yes, then what is this 'beyond' concept of 'You'?

Regards!