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Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: What does take time is the dawning of realization, that is, getting to the point where one does not trust or believe one's own (conditioned) eyes.

I think dawning of realization,,goes beyond time.The dawning comes when "I" is not there.It is unknown and it comes unexpectedly.It is the insight.This can come to any one of any standing,to the rich to the por,to rhe educated,or to the uneducated,to anyone. Further what is happening here is we are using our intellect.Intelect is thought.which is time.Time has no place for seeing truth.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: You misunderstand my use of the word "dawning". I used the word because it implies time, a gradual process, the sun rising, increasing illumination. Furthermore, when you say "time has no place for seeing truth", you're mistaken. Chronological time is truth. The time that "has no place for seeing truth" is what K called psychological time, the continuous movement of the imaginary seer.

Thank you for your clarification.But I took the meaning of dawn differently.I did not mean the dawn of sunset.I meant a sudden illumination of truth,an enlightenment.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: On hearing this statement, what happens to us? When K says, as in today's quote, that 'we don't love children, because we have no love in our hearts. We just breed children,' it implies very much the same thing. It's a strong and shocking statement being communicated from one human being to another. On hearing it, what happens?

Immediately I saw the quote it gave me really a shock.I looked into me how I had brought up my children and how my children are bringing up their children.Also Icontemplated how most or almost others are bringing up their childrenThere is no love in us.We are really breeding.We want the chldren to be successfull in there life.We want them to struggle and there by suffer.We want them to compete with others.We are really harsh.I can go on saying so many things.Really we have no love.We are harsh.In bringing up children we are really teaching them to be cruel.If there is love in our heart iF we really see this there should be an immediate change.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: "...the dawn of sunset"? Sir, with all due respect, read what you write before posting it.

Sorry to note your comment.I have not made any mistake to read what I post before posting.You shuld have mentioned that you are meaning the sunset.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

rajaratnam retnajothy wrote: Paul Dimmock wrote: On hearing this statement, what happens to us? When K says, as in today's quote, that 'we don't love children, because we have no love in our hearts. We just breed children,' it implies very much the same thing. It's a strong and shocking statement being communicated from one human being to another. On hearing it, what happens?

Also sir,I like to further state that if one cannot love children and hence has no love in their heart, how can one cometogether in a forum.

Forum: Insights Mon, 12 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: Thought reproduces what is occurring chronologically by using memory.

Thought itself is memory.Is it not sir

Forum: Insights Mon, 12 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

phillip philips wrote: K said many things, what ever he said is open to question!! Once you see that the world of thought that you are living in, is your own creation, you will stop believing that you are a part of it!!

I also think whatever K said has to be questioned.When one questions only one gets more clear and understand the truth of it.K too always says one to not to take any thing he says as gosphel truth blindly,but to question every thing and then only one comes upon the real meaning of what is said. 2.The problem is to see that the world we live in is our own creation.If you are seeing it you are blessed.Wish you luck.

Forum: Insights Tue, 13 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: I seem to remember k denying explicitly the possibility of thought being aware of itself. He does allow for one thought looking at another thought, and for thought recognizing its limitations

I also remember K saying 'thought being aware of itself' but I am unable to find out where it was said.Leaving this out I hope either Mr.Hermann or Mr. Paul will explain todays kinfonet quote "Thought shattering itself against its own nothingness is the explosion of meditation".

Forum: Insights Tue, 13 Oct 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Diony Tavarez wrote: you guys should read Hume

I would like to know what Hume has said.Can you please post a passage.I have not read much of western philosophy.

Forum: Insights Wed, 14 Oct 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Dionny T wrote: the other day i was looking at a tree and i gave it all my attention, and i couldnt see anything, but then i empty my mind from thought, and just out of nowhere it came to me. im not looking at the tree fully, i need to know the tree, i need to know its past before i can really see it... so i did some simple research and found that trees are no diffrent from us, they use the process of fertilaztion , male and female to become what they are, as all life in this planet. but this is something i know, i know this, why am i so surprise,, then i realize i was surprise and aware because i cared, i really loved the trees for the first time, really loved..my heart, my passion for the truth led me to really see the tree, the beauty of it....amazing,, simply amazing. now i really understand why jk was so passionate about the world and what his life really meant. but this will sound like nonsense, unless you experience it for yourself.

Many have thease experiences.But this appears suddenly and as Krishnaji says when the mind is unoccupied you see beauty or truth.He says one sees a sunset and gets joyous Then he goes the other day to get that joy but he he misses it;because the thought of seeing interferes.He also points out that many scientific discoveries are discovered suddenly.Best performances of poets.painters.muscitions etc occures when they have no thought oftrying to perform the best.

Forum: Insights Thu, 15 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: At this moment now we are absolutely nothing - we are neither limited nor limitless - we are just nothing. But when we resist that word 'nothing' - as we resist all words, both the positive as well as the negative - we remain limited, tied to our own prejudices, opinions, theories, feelings and thoughts.

At this moment now we are nothing is understood clearly not only intellctually but also by experience.The problem is the experience is only for a moment or a minute only.I have to try to force myself to be in the moment.I mean the thought comes into being. Even the moment of experience is I am unable to say whether it comes on its own or whether it is the thought or knowledge.I have had several experiances and you might have seen it from my several posts.I am not asking you for a solution.This is only my observation and I am sharing.

Forum: Insights Sat, 17 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: If I could be nothing, that would be the end of my worries. But something there is that won't let me be nothing. I'm not ready to cut my tether. There was a promise there once, a hope - I don't know what hope, I don't know what promise - perhaps I do know, but I am too ashamed to admit it - perhaps it was only some pain that demanded an answer and so it constructed the illusion

I think one of the main reasons we do not come to the state of nothingness is the wish to come to the state including hope.I think this hast to happen on its known and unexpectedly.I think it can come to anyone who has no plan.And I think what we have to do is to be watchful of all thoughts that arise.

Forum: Insights Tue, 20 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: As for being nothing, if you're concious of yourself as nothing but thought, and it's clear to you that thought is nothing but representation, doesn't that make you nothing but awareness?

Yes sir we are conscious that we are nothing but thought.but are we aware I do not think we are aware.If we are really aware nothing will hurt one or no flattery will extol one.If that happens only one can say that he is aware.Is it not so sir.

Forum: Insights Tue, 20 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: Yes, without time I am nothing. Therefore to be nothing now. Not to become nothing tomorrow, which will never happen. Time will never deliver us from sorrow

Yes I agree sir.That without time I am nothing.But as Mr.Max greene said mind is flickering from thought and perception.Is it not sir.

Forum: Insights Wed, 21 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: It seems to me that there is a letting go that needs to happen but which I resist. Is it a fear of love? A fear that love will destroy me?

I do not know how can there be fear of love.It is love that everyone is looking for.Everyone wants to be loved and everyone wants to love everyone and everything including plants trees and all creatures and nature.The attachment which we call love only can destroy one.This is what I think and feel.

Forum: Insights Fri, 23 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: When there is aways a sense of being separate, love (a state of being that knows no separation) means an ending of consciousness as we know it. With identity established in the conditioned mind, there is a sense of being separate to control. And who would willingly surrender or give up that sense of being in control? What is the controller? Or what is behind the compulsion to control? It is fear of possible greater disorder and greater suffering is it not? You can see how this occurs outwardly. Society says violence must be contained so we will if necessary use violent force to accomplish that.

The sense of being separate has been instilled in us from the beginning of life.And from that arose the self centeredness,the egoness.In anotherword it can be called that it is the ignorance.First at least intellectually we should know that we are not separate.It is the thought that is the cause.If the thinking ceases love towards all as you have stated will come to us which will be followed by the ending of the feeling that we are separate.Resistance fear and so on has no place.

Forum: Insights Fri, 23 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: Paul: Therefore to be nothing now.

amen

Forum: Insights Sat, 24 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: The phrase, "find out" implies a method or system unless we're using it to describe something that happens in the course of looking without motive or intention.

As you say 'find out' here means ihe nothingness comes into being when there is no search to get to that state.I think it is clear.

Forum: Insights Sat, 24 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: Find out what it means to be limited, but find out now. Don't search the memory banks or the reference books; don't wait for someone else to tell you. So there is no searching and no waiting. Do it now and you will see that it is only when we do these things like searching or waiting that we are limited. In other words, it is only when we depend upon time to bring about an answer that we create this problem of limitation. Time is the 'me'; and without time there is no me to be limited, limitless or anything else.

thank you sir for pointing out.Time is the me and without time there is no me to be limited,limitless or anything else.Understood sir there is no limitless too.There is nothing.

Forum: Insights Sat, 24 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: Be nothing now and there is unlimited space for whatever is occurring.

I think there is only unlimited assumption of what is unknown.

Forum: Insights Sun, 25 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: gv: What denies space is the old operating in the present. See that? What is the quality of observation when what is observed (both inwardly and outwardly) is seen just as it is, i.e. - as new/unknown?

<pre><code>There is space.To call it limited and unlimited is naming.And naming is thought.Opinion against opinion is violence.I see it. </code></pre>
Forum: Insights Tue, 27 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: gv: let's approach it negatively then if you prefer. Where there is some clarity, there is space to observe. But ordinarily there is only very limited space. What is the limiting factor?

The selfcentered activity the ego is the limiting factor.

Forum: Insights Tue, 27 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Therese Okamoto wrote: there is a huge difference between boundaries and borders

What is the huge difference? I don't find any difference.

Forum: Insights Tue, 27 Oct 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Hermann Janzen wrote: We keep falling prey to the notion of continuity.

I don't know whether we are feeling prey or not but it is ignorance and feeling that "I: exist.The real culprit is ego.

Forum: Insights Tue, 27 Oct 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Rasmus Tinning wrote: Why do you say the ego doesn't exist? On what grounds do you say that? - I seem to have pretty big ego myself - everybody says so at least.

What I mean to say is that feeling the ignorance that I exit is the culprit.The ego is there and we know I is not real.I is the thought,the memory,the past.At least we know this by inquiry,intellectually.So I say that is the culprit.Also we know that I or ego being there prevents the truth to come upon us.

Forum: Insights Tue, 27 Oct 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Rasmus Tinning wrote: Is the knowledge that 'the ego prevents the truth' just tradition or does the knowledge transform you? If we even suspect that it is true that ego has that effect, it deadly serious. How can we find out?

It is not knowledge,the ego prevents the truth.Why name it.Call it any name.Are you not envious of any one,or don't you get angry with someone or are'nt you aware of your being harsh to anyone.Is it not because of the feeling the other is cleverer than you.What will you call this? Inquire.

Forum: Insights Tue, 27 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: gv: can you give some examples of this? What is it that keeps this activity going? Does it occur mostly without being noticed? Is it possible to remain aware of it as it is occurring?

My experience is, it is possible to remain aware of the activity of the mind as it occurs but not every time, as the mind wanders.At times it is possible.

Forum: Insights Wed, 28 Oct 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Hermann Janzen wrote: If I'm prepared to be nothing, a different quality of seeing seems to arise.

Not prepared sir,one must be honestly nothing.Then I don't5 know whether there is a seeing at all.There might be an action.

Forum: Insights Thu, 29 Oct 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Rasmus Tinning wrote: I hope you don?t mind my saying so, but if we are to communicate and being total strangers, you must explain yourself better. I have no idea what you mean by ?prepared to be nothing? or ?be honestly nothing?

I mean by honestly nothing is that to be really nothing.Completely nothing.Without the ego meaning free of memory which are thoughts ideas etc.Don't again ask whether free of thought means amnesia. ,

Rasmus Tinning wrote: I think we have a tendency to cover our confusion by knowledge. Knowledge of the mind that is not direct insight seems to me to be ignorance. The ego doesn?t see the truth about its own superficial reactivity.

Knowledge I don't think as ignorance.I think knowledge prevents the truth to be seen.The ego can see the truth oabout its own activity but the wish for success and greed blinds the seeing.

Forum: Insights Thu, 29 Oct 2009
Topic: Seriousness

Rasmus Tinning wrote: But a superficial response to life as a whole is not good enough. I have always felt the more serious you are, the more there is in life for you. A superficial response to life is a sort of darkness or ignorance, because it confuses knowledge and conditioning with depth and wisdom. You look at a mountain and say, how beautiful, but you don?t see the mountain. You just imitate deep emotion, and in your benightedness, you think it is ok ? everybody does that, so why not, or whatever

The questiuon is why there is disregard to life as a whole?We only are concerned with our kith and kin.About others it is not that there is no concern but there is as you say a partial concern or superficial concern.The whole subject which K discussed was about this.He says we are not sensitive and was trying to instill in our mind right through his life.