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Forum: Insights Wed, 16 Sep 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Paul Dimmock wrote:

Therefore can the ego go right to the end of itself? Can the selfish entity go to the core of its selfishness? Or, having heard a thousand other voices saying, 'Don't be selfish', does it hold back somewhat, saying, 'It's wrong to be selfish'? Therefore it never gets at the root of the matter.

We see that we are selfish at the moment of its appearance or at alittle time later.Also selfishness disappear as soon as we see or little later.But it appears at another instance. So it appears and disappears when we are aware.This happens often. But I do not know whether it is possible for selfishness to disappear entirely out of one. My experience so many years after listening to K is seeng being selfish and disappearing soon only is now.I mean the interval of being selfish and its disappearance slowly increased by years.

Forum: Insights Thu, 24 Sep 2009
Topic: Honestly

To be as I am,to stay as you are. Even thease statements are ideas. Any statement is an idea.If I answer it is an idea. to want,to be ambitious to know truth is ambition.We say one must be aware.This too is a wish.A wish is thought which is where ego is set to work,Not to want anything is also thought. One has to be totally aware of all these.Even this statement is thought. The question by Mr.Paul "Is there something that's not tied to me,yet I can see it?The I that can see it is is thought.

Forum: Insights Sat, 26 Sep 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Awareness is present is alright.But in general who is aware?It is the"I"who is aware.But who is "I"?'I' is thought.When;'I' is not then there is awareness.: "I" can only be aware of the past.I think we cannot call it awareness.It is only watchfulness.Living in the present is to watch the mind not to move away.This is what I think.

Forum: Insights Sun, 27 Sep 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: Where did Paul say this? I don't recall reading it and it doesn't sound like him.

I am sorry Mr.Nick Carter.Mr.Paul had only said "what are we"I have only taken a context from his post.The balance in my post is mine.But unfortunately my post has come with my little context from Mr.Pauls post.

Please read the post of Mr.Paul's of 26th September.

I hope others who read my post will take notice of my error.That is Mr.Paul questioned 'What are we."and the balance is my reply. I regret for misleading.

Forum: Insights Sun, 27 Sep 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: So what are we?

I don't think anyone who are in this forum can answer this as we are only worried of our present position. The answers given by me and others for your posts are merely to confirm that that we know.We are neither humble nor free of greed.We can surmise but these too are from knowledge.The knowledge gathered from the teachings of ancient sages,Buddha, Jesus,and other teachers of old or from what Krishnaji have said.Krishnaji had only put this question but had asked us to find out.K also has said "it is not who am I or all that nonsense",but find out 'what am I'.

Is it possible for us to find out sir,till "I" is there,or at least say what it is?

Forum: Insights Sun, 27 Sep 2009
Topic: Honestly

It has no solution.So I have to remain with what I know in the present without any movement.Then there might be a revalation or not.

Forum: Insights Sat, 03 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

We know that word is the thinker from the teachings of Krishnaji,not only as knowledge but also from understsnding.But why is that the mind is unable to look at itself without the movement of the word?

Forum: Insights Sun, 04 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: My "daily life" is a kind of Hell. How's yours

Don't name sir.

Forum: Insights Mon, 05 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: My Hell is that I'm the one giving orders.

Why should one call giving orders hell.If it is in your work place it might be the position you are holding.Also why are you naming it as order.I am not advising you.From the entries you make in this forum you look inelligent.

Forum: Insights Wed, 07 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Is not the demand for freedom because one cannot live without freedom a desire?

Forum: Insights Thu, 08 Oct 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Ben Dasher wrote: A mind cannot be empty of ideas, because a mind is an idea.....

I think the mind is the container of ideas.If the cotainer is empty of ideas the mind might be there but empty of ideas,or it might be possible the mind also disappears.

Forum: Insights Fri, 09 Oct 2009
Topic: Desire

ganesan balachandran wrote: will it mean one is destined to have this habbit and destined to have this habbit withering away.Many times I too have wondered is there need to end habit. Thank you gb

I think habit has to end.It must end.Krishnaji has explained about habit.IWhat he has said is not in my mind now.Any how it is one of the main point to see truth.One is not sensitive to beauty suffering and so on is due to habit.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: What does take time is the dawning of realization, that is, getting to the point where one does not trust or believe one's own (conditioned) eyes.

I think dawning of realization,,goes beyond time.The dawning comes when "I" is not there.It is unknown and it comes unexpectedly.It is the insight.This can come to any one of any standing,to the rich to the por,to rhe educated,or to the uneducated,to anyone. Further what is happening here is we are using our intellect.Intelect is thought.which is time.Time has no place for seeing truth.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: You misunderstand my use of the word "dawning". I used the word because it implies time, a gradual process, the sun rising, increasing illumination. Furthermore, when you say "time has no place for seeing truth", you're mistaken. Chronological time is truth. The time that "has no place for seeing truth" is what K called psychological time, the continuous movement of the imaginary seer.

Thank you for your clarification.But I took the meaning of dawn differently.I did not mean the dawn of sunset.I meant a sudden illumination of truth,an enlightenment.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: On hearing this statement, what happens to us? When K says, as in today's quote, that 'we don't love children, because we have no love in our hearts. We just breed children,' it implies very much the same thing. It's a strong and shocking statement being communicated from one human being to another. On hearing it, what happens?

Immediately I saw the quote it gave me really a shock.I looked into me how I had brought up my children and how my children are bringing up their children.Also Icontemplated how most or almost others are bringing up their childrenThere is no love in us.We are really breeding.We want the chldren to be successfull in there life.We want them to struggle and there by suffer.We want them to compete with others.We are really harsh.I can go on saying so many things.Really we have no love.We are harsh.In bringing up children we are really teaching them to be cruel.If there is love in our heart iF we really see this there should be an immediate change.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: "...the dawn of sunset"? Sir, with all due respect, read what you write before posting it.

Sorry to note your comment.I have not made any mistake to read what I post before posting.You shuld have mentioned that you are meaning the sunset.

Forum: Insights Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

rajaratnam retnajothy wrote: Paul Dimmock wrote: On hearing this statement, what happens to us? When K says, as in today's quote, that 'we don't love children, because we have no love in our hearts. We just breed children,' it implies very much the same thing. It's a strong and shocking statement being communicated from one human being to another. On hearing it, what happens?

Also sir,I like to further state that if one cannot love children and hence has no love in their heart, how can one cometogether in a forum.

Forum: Insights Mon, 12 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: Thought reproduces what is occurring chronologically by using memory.

Thought itself is memory.Is it not sir

Forum: Insights Mon, 12 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

phillip philips wrote: K said many things, what ever he said is open to question!! Once you see that the world of thought that you are living in, is your own creation, you will stop believing that you are a part of it!!

I also think whatever K said has to be questioned.When one questions only one gets more clear and understand the truth of it.K too always says one to not to take any thing he says as gosphel truth blindly,but to question every thing and then only one comes upon the real meaning of what is said. 2.The problem is to see that the world we live in is our own creation.If you are seeing it you are blessed.Wish you luck.

Forum: Insights Tue, 13 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: I seem to remember k denying explicitly the possibility of thought being aware of itself. He does allow for one thought looking at another thought, and for thought recognizing its limitations

I also remember K saying 'thought being aware of itself' but I am unable to find out where it was said.Leaving this out I hope either Mr.Hermann or Mr. Paul will explain todays kinfonet quote "Thought shattering itself against its own nothingness is the explosion of meditation".

Forum: Insights Tue, 13 Oct 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Diony Tavarez wrote: you guys should read Hume

I would like to know what Hume has said.Can you please post a passage.I have not read much of western philosophy.

Forum: Insights Wed, 14 Oct 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Dionny T wrote: the other day i was looking at a tree and i gave it all my attention, and i couldnt see anything, but then i empty my mind from thought, and just out of nowhere it came to me. im not looking at the tree fully, i need to know the tree, i need to know its past before i can really see it... so i did some simple research and found that trees are no diffrent from us, they use the process of fertilaztion , male and female to become what they are, as all life in this planet. but this is something i know, i know this, why am i so surprise,, then i realize i was surprise and aware because i cared, i really loved the trees for the first time, really loved..my heart, my passion for the truth led me to really see the tree, the beauty of it....amazing,, simply amazing. now i really understand why jk was so passionate about the world and what his life really meant. but this will sound like nonsense, unless you experience it for yourself.

Many have thease experiences.But this appears suddenly and as Krishnaji says when the mind is unoccupied you see beauty or truth.He says one sees a sunset and gets joyous Then he goes the other day to get that joy but he he misses it;because the thought of seeing interferes.He also points out that many scientific discoveries are discovered suddenly.Best performances of poets.painters.muscitions etc occures when they have no thought oftrying to perform the best.

Forum: Insights Thu, 15 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: At this moment now we are absolutely nothing - we are neither limited nor limitless - we are just nothing. But when we resist that word 'nothing' - as we resist all words, both the positive as well as the negative - we remain limited, tied to our own prejudices, opinions, theories, feelings and thoughts.

At this moment now we are nothing is understood clearly not only intellctually but also by experience.The problem is the experience is only for a moment or a minute only.I have to try to force myself to be in the moment.I mean the thought comes into being. Even the moment of experience is I am unable to say whether it comes on its own or whether it is the thought or knowledge.I have had several experiances and you might have seen it from my several posts.I am not asking you for a solution.This is only my observation and I am sharing.

Forum: Insights Sat, 17 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: If I could be nothing, that would be the end of my worries. But something there is that won't let me be nothing. I'm not ready to cut my tether. There was a promise there once, a hope - I don't know what hope, I don't know what promise - perhaps I do know, but I am too ashamed to admit it - perhaps it was only some pain that demanded an answer and so it constructed the illusion

I think one of the main reasons we do not come to the state of nothingness is the wish to come to the state including hope.I think this hast to happen on its known and unexpectedly.I think it can come to anyone who has no plan.And I think what we have to do is to be watchful of all thoughts that arise.

Forum: Insights Tue, 20 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: As for being nothing, if you're concious of yourself as nothing but thought, and it's clear to you that thought is nothing but representation, doesn't that make you nothing but awareness?

Yes sir we are conscious that we are nothing but thought.but are we aware I do not think we are aware.If we are really aware nothing will hurt one or no flattery will extol one.If that happens only one can say that he is aware.Is it not so sir.

Forum: Insights Tue, 20 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Paul Dimmock wrote: Yes, without time I am nothing. Therefore to be nothing now. Not to become nothing tomorrow, which will never happen. Time will never deliver us from sorrow

Yes I agree sir.That without time I am nothing.But as Mr.Max greene said mind is flickering from thought and perception.Is it not sir.

Forum: Insights Wed, 21 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: It seems to me that there is a letting go that needs to happen but which I resist. Is it a fear of love? A fear that love will destroy me?

I do not know how can there be fear of love.It is love that everyone is looking for.Everyone wants to be loved and everyone wants to love everyone and everything including plants trees and all creatures and nature.The attachment which we call love only can destroy one.This is what I think and feel.

Forum: Insights Fri, 23 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Greg Van Tongeren wrote: When there is aways a sense of being separate, love (a state of being that knows no separation) means an ending of consciousness as we know it. With identity established in the conditioned mind, there is a sense of being separate to control. And who would willingly surrender or give up that sense of being in control? What is the controller? Or what is behind the compulsion to control? It is fear of possible greater disorder and greater suffering is it not? You can see how this occurs outwardly. Society says violence must be contained so we will if necessary use violent force to accomplish that.

The sense of being separate has been instilled in us from the beginning of life.And from that arose the self centeredness,the egoness.In anotherword it can be called that it is the ignorance.First at least intellectually we should know that we are not separate.It is the thought that is the cause.If the thinking ceases love towards all as you have stated will come to us which will be followed by the ending of the feeling that we are separate.Resistance fear and so on has no place.

Forum: Insights Fri, 23 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

Hermann Janzen wrote: Paul: Therefore to be nothing now.

amen

Forum: Insights Sat, 24 Oct 2009
Topic: Honestly

nick carter wrote: The phrase, "find out" implies a method or system unless we're using it to describe something that happens in the course of looking without motive or intention.

As you say 'find out' here means ihe nothingness comes into being when there is no search to get to that state.I think it is clear.