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Forum: General Discussion Sat, 09 Jan 2010
Topic: The transformation

Ken B wrote: Instead of insulting people, why don't you make yourself clear? I'll lay this out one final time and then drop the issue..

@Ken,

I would have given up a long time ago given the obtuse responses you've received to your salient arguments. Your patience is to be commended.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 11 Jan 2010
Topic: The transformation

Bonnie Baehr wrote: transformation is not available for gays

Obviously never heard of Walt Whitman.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 05 Apr 2010
Topic: We think we need the presence of Jiddu in this world to understand and live the new state of Mutation of the Mind?

Paul Davidson wrote: Well, I was following on from the learned moderator

This is becoming quite the comedy of errors. Although the moderator of this forum shares the last name of the poster Dhirendra Singh, I don't think they are one and the same person - as, according to their profiles, one hails from India and the other from Hawaii.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 05 Apr 2010
Topic: On the nature Interest

Angel Miolan wrote: In this moment of my life I'm more interesting in the Message of K. Regards, Angel.

Hola Angel,

I was thinking that it is the very inspiration that we gather from being interested in one thing or the other - however few and far between those things might be - that makes the dross of the rest of our existence tolerable.

Which may be why everything stays essentially the same for us, and any study of K remains just that, study.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 02 May 2010
Topic: Do having power is guarantee of it's misuse?

Nicely put, Nick. That is indeed a good thing.

An equally good thing would be if the exchange served to reveal ourselves to ourselves.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 02 May 2010
Topic: Do having power is guarantee of it's misuse?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: By posting here I am not revealing myself to anyone. The reader receives everything colored by his background.

Sudhir,

You may not be revealing 'yourself' to us but you are revealing the movement of self, something which is common to all of us who post here.

It seems to me that there is a sharp qualitative difference between 'self-knowledge' and 'myself-knowledge' . The latter invokes reaction and desire for change whereas the former brings us face to face with the immutable fact that self- whether it be your self or my self - is inherently bound to ideas. In fact 'we' may be nothing more than just those ideas, animated in some mysterious way.

To return to the topic of this thread, what I find ironic is that we take others to task for exercising power without seeing that the admonishment is a thought seeking to assert itself. Seen fundamentally, thinking - by dint of its very nature - is violent. And that is neither good nor bad. Like any fact, it is what it is.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Jul 2010
Topic: Daily Life

Timothy Orr wrote: I'm wondering where is the seriousness

I wonder "what is seriousness?" Are there degrees of seriousness or is it an all or nothing affair?

Tim Orr speaks of a certain sensitivity that some people are naturally endowed with. Many on this site no doubt have experienced that feeling of ennui, angst stemming from the perceived futility of our human existence.

Having been very intense in my younger days, that feeling has now devolved into resignation accompanied by complacency. The fact of the changing nature of this "sensitivity" makes it highly suspect to me. I am rather wary of comparing it to what K refers to as sensitivity, that immediacy of perception that is complete in itself, not altogether from what I imagine Van Gogh to have felt when he painted his fiery fields ....

Tim suggests that this "purer" sensitivity cannot be cultivated and I am inclined to agree with him. So here we stand.

Does an individual's willingness to own up to his or her callousness count for anything? Is this acknowledgement a type of seriousness? Or is seriousness of a different order altogether? So many questions ....

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 17 Sep 2010
Topic: Pleasure

Soham netti wrote: Will you provide quote please?

How does one deny? Does one deny the known, not in great dramatic incidents but in little incidents? Do I deny when I am shaving and I remember the lovely time I had in Switzerland? Does one deny the remembrance of a pleasant time? Does one grow aware of it, and deny it? That is not dramatic, it is not spectacular, nobody knows about it. Still this constant denial of little things, the little wiping's, the little rubbing's off, not just one great big wiping away, is essential. It is essential to deny thought as remembrance, pleasant or unpleasant, every minute of the day as it arises. One is doing it not for any motive, not in order to enter into the extraordinary state of the unknown. You live in Rishi Valley and think of Bombay or Rome. This creates a conflict, makes the mind dull, a divided thing. Can you see this and wipe it away? Can you keep on wiping away not because you want to enter into the unknown? You can never know what the unknown is because the moment you recognise it as the unknown you are back in the known.

Kinfonet Quote of the day for July 27, 2009

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 17 Sep 2010
Topic: Pleasure

Dean R. Smith wrote: You have no understanding of what you're talking about.

Is it necessary to be such a boor?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 17 Oct 2010
Topic: Choice

huh?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 17 Oct 2010
Topic: Choice

Do you mean it is clear that I have no idea how to proceed?

If so, it doesn't follow that there is a way which is "clear"? Confusion = murky, no?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 20 Oct 2010
Topic: Choice

nick carter wrote: You could put it that way, but it's rather vague.

Speaking of vague, I believe Krishnamurti said something to the effect that as long as we have choice we are not individuals.

In everyday parlance, the presence of choice is what makes us individuals. He must therefore be using the word 'individual' to mean something altogether different. As to what that could be, I have no idea. Or rather, I have nothing but idea.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 22 Oct 2010
Topic: Choice

Paul Davidson wrote: Is it not that choice arises out of confusion?

Were we not speaking of the relation of choice to individuality? Or lack thereof? Why the jump to "confusion"?

Would it not be better to stay on topic and go step by step? Otherwise we end up voicing our current conclusions instead of having a methodical investigation. In my experience, nothing is more of a conversation killer than turning to the end of the book to find the answer rather than trying to get our heads around the problem itself.

It may well be that choice arises out of confusion but if that be the truth we should be able to arrive there through a more natural progression.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 25 Oct 2010
Topic: The Shoddy Mind

Patricia Hemingway wrote: Nick C and Paul D have the run of Kinfonet at the moment - and just observe how the bar is lowered

Can't say I share your assessment, Patricia. On the contrary, I find the quality bar has been raised of late.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 25 Oct 2010
Topic: The Shoddy Mind

Paul Davidson wrote: Well, Patricia probably raised it from the grave.

Funny, Paul.

(Was going to reply with a smiley face, but didn't want to be labeled as just another insufferable american.)

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 25 Oct 2010
Topic: The Shoddy Mind

Katy 7 wrote: How does a person measure 'quality' I wonder?

Hi Katy,

Purely subjectively, without question. Whatever you personally find thought-provoking, I guess.

Though I still wonder: Is there not only one truth? And if so, can it have myriad interpretations?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Oct 2010
Topic: Is Kinfonet a Patriarchy ? (part two)

Katy 7 wrote: "The powers that be" excluded Rick. Regards, Katy

Not wishing to speak ill of the departed, I find self-appointed K-police who make categorical statements most difficult. We mere mortals have enough trouble communicating as it is.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 09 Nov 2010
Topic: Desire

I'd sure like to see here a slow, considered discussion on the topic of desire.

In the daily quotes from the last few days, K appears to be saying that desire - which he refers to as 'craving'- is the central core from which our skewed perception of reality derives.

If I may be personal, I never imagined what Truth was, I never craved to possess it. How can you want something when you do not know what it is? But I knew the things which were binding me, crippling my thought, my emotions, wasting my energy. I knew that which it is quite easy to know. So, through the process of freeing myself from craving, the cause of many hindrances

He is obviously not advocating willful suppression. So then, what does he mean when he uses the word desire. Is it something rarefied, difficult to get to the root of, or is it as he says, "quite easy to know". And if it were possible to know, then what? Do we bang it over the head, one desire calling itself "awareness that desire is bad" clubbing another ? And as Rajiv says, wouldn't life be utterly vapid if there were no desire? Is not all action born of desire?

If I could express a desire: if you already have all the answers to these questions, or feel that you've already figured out what Krishnamurti is saying, please do not participate in this discussion. Thanks in advance.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 12 Nov 2010
Topic: Desire

nick carter wrote: My question is: how is someone who takes K seriously to regard K-parrots; should their parroting be ignored or disparaged?

It is rather ironic that people are so sure of themselves on a Krishnamurti forum. That and the trolls that pop up now and again make for quite absurd theater.

It would be quite funny if it weren't for the fact that I can detect parallels in the workings of my own mind.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 27 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: "When she, the ultimate Shakti, of her own will (svecchaya) assumed the form of the universe, then the creation of the chakra revealed itself as a pulsating essence. From the void-like vowels with the visarga (:) emerged the bindu, quivering and fully conscious. From this pulsating stream of supreme light emanated the ocean of the cosmos, the very self of the three mothers."

huh?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 27 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyat wrote: When she, the ultimate Shakti, of her own will (svecchaya) assumed the form of the universe, then the creation of the chakra revealed itself as a pulsating essence. From the void-like vowels with the visarga (:) emerged the bindu, quivering and fully conscious. From this pulsating stream of supreme light emanated the ocean of the cosmos, the very self of the three mothers.

"At present the pattern is more alive, the image, the theory, more alluring to you than your own creative, independent thinking and feeling, because you have made of that to which you conform, a living image."

Krishnamurti

Kinfonet Quote of the Day, December 24th

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 14 Jan 2011
Topic: On Waiting and Wanting

I sit by the roadside
The driver changes the wheel.
I do not like the place I have come from.
I do not like the place I am going to.
Why with impatience do I
Watch him changing the wheel?

Just found this little gem of a poem. “Changing The Wheel” by Berthold Brecht. From his Chinesische Gedichte (Chinese Poems).

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