Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening
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Forum: General Discussion Sun, 25 Jul 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

David C wrote: Although I joined in appreciation for Krishnamurti's work, I have since become a bit skeptical of the helpful nature of his writing.

Welcome David. Being a skeptic is no wrong. It may actually help you understand K or any author even better.

I do wonder - how much of what he writes is actually helpful to those who study it?

I may try answering your questions to the best of my ability, but you have to make your own final assessment of everybody's opinions. Though the books are the same, some people claim to have been benefited and some not. However, some people call K's books as quite challenging.

Has it brought significent benefits into their lives?

Some claim so and some not.

I do think that some of what he says is quite dangerous to ponder too deeply, as it can unsettle the mental state and lead to isolation if readers are constantly are trying to throw off the conditioning that makes you able to be part of modern social groups.

K's books may be as good or as bad as other books. It depends on the reader to assess and make use of them. However, if you are apprehensive or aware of that danger, perhaps then you are actually safer. Because such dangers seem to overtake only when one is not aware of them or vulnerable and not because of the subject or the author.

How do you think that conditioning is necessary to be part of modern social groups? It is generally said that the least conditioned people actually form the best segment of all such groups.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 22 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Do you say that a person who is drinking, smoking,overeating, womanizing listens to a talk by K and can get liberated instantly or in other words will have a still brain instantly? That's not on. That will never happen in the world.I don't think K meant a thing like that.

Mere commencement of the process is instantaneous. he completion of the process varies according to how much one allows the process to go on, as K too took a long time to be absolutely free.

According to me, this process is often beginning to take place in most if not all human beings. However, very soon the illusion of insecurity overwhelms the intelligence, which habitually jumps into the escapist band wagon, with an apparent satisfaction of the escape from danger.

"The journey to the moon is very near compared to the journey within,and very few are willing to take the journey within because it requires attention and nothing else." - K

Words should not matter in our understanding of K. Once he also seemed to have said, that 'mere turning inwards is enough, sir, you don't have to do anything at all'. or very near to those words . I don't remember the exact location, and I shall thank if some one locates it.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Oct 2010
Topic: K Foundation of America

David Loucks wrote: They are prostituting themselves and the sole purpose for which the KFA is suppose to exist

nick carter wrote: I've received inside information that their next revenue generating scheme is to sell little K bobble-head dolls with wispy white hair.

Let them do anything they like. As long as they make available all K's works in uninterpreted form on the net, it is more than enough and thus they will be doing the most yeomen service to mankind. Even K didn't ask for more !!!

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Is it not the description of ourselves, our life?

Yes. K's teachings described both our 'conditioned' lives and his 'unconditioned' life.

Soham netti wrote:How any can describe our life?, no, no one can.

Soham, What makes you say so ? Isn't the shoddiness of our lives highly visible ? Isn't it explainable ? Aren't we seeing everyday exploitation, poverty, conflicts, wars etc ? Please correct me, if you had something else in your mind.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: So when we say K said something we have to take into consideration all these-not just harp on an isolated phrase-if it is genuine but find out what he said throughout about the issue.

Yes. It seems there is no proper introduction available to a new reader of K anywhere in the world. Any good introduction to K may have the following points and more.

  1. It may help the new reader to pre-understand the following before reading K.

  2. K explained in millions of pages about the existence, cause and possible cure for human problem of 'conditioning' that has lead to exploitation, poverty, conflicts, violence and wars etc., also with practical case histories like the 'commentaries of living'.

  3. K said that thought itself is undesirable and the root cause of all problems.

  4. There are available his discussions on human mind with famous personalities in all areas of society, like Scientists, Religious Leaders, Saints and Yogis, Politicians, common people etc.

  5. So far, excepting one or two, there is no one claiming to have understood K's teachings.

  6. K was the only human being who vociferously declared "My objective is to liberate mankind absolutely and unconditionally". This is in his public address he gave at Ommen in 1929. For some, it may appear wider and more powerful than Lincoln's 'gettysberg' address.

  7. K sincerely and genuinely intended to transform or remove the conditioning in all his readers. However, if transformation doesn't take place in those who are already conditioned, it may cause shift of conditioning from other conditioning to K. Since K doesn't allow worshiping of himself, even then man will be restless and eventually he will go on trying to change or transform himself or herself till death, unless transformed earlier.

  8. All that said above again may not amount to adequate or accurate introduction to K, and it is unlikely that anyone may be able to give the exact introduction required for the new readers of K.

Readers may please correct the above, if there is any need.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Soham netti wrote:Why should we read K?

To know that our minds are restless and K's mind was restful.

K was transformed.

Yes.

Did he read any teachings for it?:)

He looked at his own mind and it soon stopped chattering and he became free from the disturbance of his own mind, and began to interact coolly and correctly.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Prasanna P wrote: He looked at his own mind and it soon stopped chattering and he became free from the disturbance of his own mind, and began to interact coolly and correctly.

nick carter wrote: Unless you've done the same thing, how can you know what K did?

Yes. I say so, because it worked for me.

Has your mind "stopped chattering", and do you "interact coolly and correctly"?

Yes. I say so, because I can see my mind has stopped chattering and it is abundantly cool.

Don't be shy. You won't be the first one to claim transformation.

I am not shy, and I don't want to make a story of it either, until I can give easy, simple, comprehensible, logical and scientific presentation of the functioning or the process of the mind. Because, for me it isn't just enough to be transformed.

K was the first to be truly transformed, but his objective of setting mankind absolutely and unconditionally, couldn't be realized because of his ineffective presentation of words.

I think, the normal or natural state of mind is possible for every human being. It is both protectable from babyhood and if lost, as usually at present, it is also regainable in adult hood.

This transformation will become easily possible by serious persons, only when I will be able to translate my state of mind into words, that can't be misunderstood or misconstrued. In other words, it is effective communication. Only due to this problem, K's objective has remained unrealized.

I have put all this in my Theory of Fragmentation of Intelligence.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Neil Z wrote: For my part, I think I understand what K was trying to do, but I also think he largely failed! I don't believe there was a message! However, the problem is largely with us, the listeners!

Do you think the following.

K largely failed, K didn't have a message, problem is with us....

Are you saying that K and his listeners, both are responsible for this situation of un-understanding of K teachings ?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Neil Z wrote: That first instant we heard him what most likely the purest, after that, not fully understanding, and trying to understand, we listeners have made a bit of a mess of it!

Yes. This was my first reaction too. However, after years and years of introspection, I came to a conclusion that the guy is undoubtedly great, cool and free, but his objectives haven't been met because of his explanations due to vague, inconsistent and multiple meanings of certain essential colloquial terms.

Then I began my own kind of reverse integration. I found the best way to explain Psychology may be to begin with the explanation of the most commonly used term or article 'I'. However, until both the speaker and the listener are on the same pitch, there can't be any effective communication. First, there can be only wordy, graphical, logical or intellectual communication. Only thereafter, the listener (the I in him) can begin the application of the communication received, which will begin as well as complete the actual understanding. The second part is entirely at the initiative and process within the listener. The speaker can't do much about it.

It may be too long to explain here. If one reads my TFI, one may get a general idea about it. No one needs to accept it, but only understand it.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 04 Nov 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Neil Z wrote: K's description of "awareness" is one of the weakest and most dangerous aspects of his "teachings".

K's explanation may be vague, but how do you call it as most dangerous ?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 04 Nov 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Now how do we find out whether this 'I' with all it's values is factual because this is the driving force of this chaotic society?

Perhaps the 'I' that you are mentioning is made up of history or the past. Do you think, mere usage or exchange of the past info, can result in chaos ? Or you are saying something else ?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 05 Nov 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

max greene wrote: I would say that there is either awareness or there is not.

By that do you mean, there is no partial awareness ?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 06 Nov 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Neil Z wrote: Personally, I think he was describing a "state", and while this does come out, at other times he speaks of something that "must be done".

Yes, most of the teachings of K denote 'how' he was perceiving the whole world and all its interactions. When we read or listen to him, it is undoubtedly rational and un-conflicting, and since we are unable to look at the world and respond just like him, we only wish that we were also able to be cool and complete in our responses to the world.

In other words, they too become like 10 commandments. One who is fully free can give those advises to the world, and those who aren't free can only go back and refer to those during doubts and crisis.

However, what distinguishes K from all others is that K emphasized that basically all human minds are same and if we all get back to the original, basic or natural platform, then our perceptions and responses would also be natural and unconflicting.

It is the origin of human intelligence that is distorted and if that returns to normal, thereafter every perception would be normal. Then obviously all responses and interactions would be normal because they are spontaneous and matching to perceptions only.

That is why, I said that in the presently available state, K's teachings can only cause re-conditioning of minds, but not set free. Hence, unless advanced, K's teachings would remain as ineffective as of now.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 06 Nov 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Prasanna wrote: "By that do you mean, there is no partial awareness?"

max greene wrote:Awareness is sensing, and either one senses something or he does not. It is like saying that someone is "half awake," or that he is "half asleep." There are moments of wakefulness and there are moments of sleep, but it is not possible to be awake and asleep at the same time. It is the same with being aware. It is not possible to be aware and unaware at the same time.

Max, it is a matter of perception and of course, you don't have to agree with me either.

Interactions can't take place during sleep. They take place only during wakefulness. Since conflicts are taking place, it is obvious that the perception and responses aren't natural and complete and accurate enough to end the situations. Conflicts are unnatural and they can happen only during half or incomplete responses.

However, it is entirely possible to be aware of only some aspects of a subject, and not to be aware of the subject in its entirety.

I have a different view. With regard to conflicts there are two sets of knowledge areas. One where conflicts arise and another where conflicts don't arise.

First is where human perceptions are common, same or universal, for example like scientific discoveries, where conflicts can't arise.

Second, where minds are conditioned, conflicts are inevitable, for example Religions, Political ideologies and other conditioned areas like even K teachings.

I have my own perception and you have your own on these K teachings. Isn't it so ?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 07 Nov 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Prasanna P wrote: Perhaps the 'I' that you are mentioning is made up of history or the past. Do you think, mere usage or exchange of the past info, can result in chaos ?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote:: No.The accurate it is the better.

Just a clarification. I was trying to find out whether you distinguish between the dynamic force of 'I', which due to its own illusion of insecurity, is indulging in justification or condemnation by merely using the 'knowledge or matter' as a tool.

I find your observations are comparably very moderate, and you may have studied K substantially. Hence I wanted to continue discussions with you, to find whether we may have something new and common among ourselves and also whether we may arrive at some common understanding.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 08 Nov 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Prasanna P wrote: continue discussions

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Sure. Yes, I've studied K substantially. However I haven't come upon this love K talked about although the teaching has helped me tremendously, incredibly.

Perhaps there are two kinds of conditioning that humans have. First One is merely apparent that one may have got by mere mis-education or misinformation, which we can easily get rid of when we come to know the actual facts. It is undoubtedly true that the first reading of K actually helps us to understand some serious matter, on which we weren't clear or serious before, and by clearing of which also we feel having tremendously benefited.

The second one is the true and the dangerous conditioning, which is seemingly welded with the psyche. It won't easily go away, by mere revelation of actual facts, but can erupt defensive violence. Do you remember reading Galileo's persecution and violence, just because he merely unraveled the helio-centric theory, where as till then everyone including the King believed that the sun was revolving around the earth.

I am investigating to see whether this love K talked about can come into being.

Please keep me posted about your investigation. I am an independent researcher in Psychology. My email id is in my profile.

I refuse to be deluded. Until my heart is full of love-& it is not-I will not say I've made it.

You're right to be so. Perhaps the state of 'love' arrives only after all the conditioning is removed from the mind. Have you heard or studied about mutation ? What do you feel about it? I for one would say that I agree with K that until the required physical change takes place in the brain, this conditioning won't go away, because as said earlier it is amalgamated with the 'I'.

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