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Forum: Question authority Mon, 17 Aug 2009
Topic: conflict

Chafia Abdi wrote: When I go through this process of observing, something rings as a false note. It is not laziness, but it souds like becoming better than before by this discipline of Watching. Is it not another game that the mind plays? I am asking?

Chafia, the mind plays many games and tricks when it observes through all the fragments which makes up the individual self.
Keep watching..........one fragment tells you to be this, another tells you to be that and so on. Is this "becoming better" part of your observation? Is it another fragment? What happens when one just observes these fragments? In just watching, there is nothing else, only watching.

Forum: Insights Mon, 17 Aug 2009
Topic: personality
Alexi Pina wrote:

how do we make people aware how they are who they are?

by being you true Self. here's a quote from Gandhi " be the change that you want to see in the world".

Forum: Insights Mon, 17 Aug 2009
Topic: personality

Krishnan Srinivasan wrote: His silence irks me....

You allow Mr. Pina too much control over you.

Forum: Serious Debate Thu, 20 Aug 2009
Topic: Can justice be enforced from outside?

Prasanna P wrote: The question still remains, why great men still prefer intellectual solutions endlessly, rather than improvement in the Psychological State of Mankind ?

Because it brings power and wealth.

The question is contradictory. A great man is a wise man. A wise man has a holistic perception and will not be caught in the narrowness of intellectualizing human suffering.

Therefore the question should be " why men still prefer intellectual solutions.....?

Forum: Question authority Thu, 10 Sep 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

ganesan balachandran wrote: Is there any restriction in women which prevents them from going deeply in to JK's writtings. I find many of them take it as a fashion to dicuss on Jk Rather than giving it a serious concern. This is just an observation and iam not trying to bring in any conflict. besides see many religious teachers are men only? dont say they were denied freedom. for all our questions now there is an answer? gb

Yes, there are restrictions of oppression and ignorance of the eastern societies. It does not allow women the individual right of freedom to express who they truly are, rather, who they "should be" . This was the main theme of Krishnamurti's teachings......you are what you are, not what you should be.

And why not say, "they are denied freedom"? is that not the truth? I feel sorry for those women who are born into such societies. And you sir, if you don't recognize the fact that women are denied freedom than you are blind, or just choose not to acknowledge this fact. (not trying to be rude at all, for that is not my nature).

Forum: Serious Debate Thu, 10 Sep 2009
Topic: Mankind needs freedom ; With or without the help of K.

ganesan balachandran wrote: If there are only five people who will listen, who will live, who have their faces turned towards eternity, it will be sufficient

among 6.5billion people, 5 will listen, how is that sufficient?

Forum: Serious Debate Thu, 10 Sep 2009
Topic: Mankind needs freedom ; With or without the help of K.

Prasanna P wrote: Mankind's inner freedom appears to be getting depleted, like the ground water levels all over the world. Mankind's rationality is getting reduced

perhaps there was no "inner freedom" to begin with.

Forum: Serious Debate Thu, 10 Sep 2009
Topic: Can justice be enforced from outside?

Prasanna P wrote: Hi Monic, Can we proceed further ? I think the only method of communication between people is through words, which is called intellectual. Therefore, it may be better to say that level or quality of that intellectual solution has to change or improve. Can you throw some light on this ?

Aside from the language, don't you think there has to be fundamental change in the structure of the individual brain ? No matter how educated we are, or what noble language we use, our brain function has not changed much. You may preach a nice , juicy sermon to me, but that fabric of language is quite transparent and weak now. Any reasonable human can see through that. So perhpas what we are looking for is not some refined language, for that we have plenty of; a need for profound change.

Forum: Question authority Thu, 10 Sep 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

ganesan balachandran wrote: .... is there any physiological or biological restriction.....generally we only create problem for ourself whether it is a women or men...sorry if i have offended you. gb

gb: you did not offend me so there is no need for an apology.

By the usage of this phrase, "freedom of expression" I do not mean the artificial, idealogical expression which I find is self delusional. I speak of the fundamental freedom from ones conditioning at the roots, the core of the being.

The individual self is a product of their environment, culture, tradition, and society. This makes up the individual self, biologically, psychologically and physiologically. Our bodies, and consequently our minds are subject to modification by this external environment, culture, traditions, societies, etc. Every action we take, every choice we make seems to be determined by the circumstances of our heredity and our environment. The individual born in a society which allows very strick, controlled thinking, manner of conduct and fundamental beliefs, where the individual has no right to think on their own but what is imposed upon them by society, this type of destructive conditioning is ultimately fatal to the individual and their evolutionary process.

Forum: Serious Debate Fri, 11 Sep 2009
Topic: Can justice be enforced from outside?

Prasanna P wrote: The structure of the brain is a biological one and perhaps it can't be changed at all

If there is no change in the brain that how does one explain the fundamentals of evolution.

Prasanna P wrote: Please forgive me. I have no intention of any preaching a juicy sermon to any one. Are you also becoming like the many, who prefer to shoot the messenger, rather than replying to the message. Never never agree with any one, but put down your points. To bring that profound change, we can only exchange words and what else can we do ? Tell me, is there any other way out ?

Prasanna, ?Preaching a juicy sermon? was not directed at you but rather those holding the authoritative positions in society.

At this point there is no way out. Humankind is facing total annihilation. The process is only delayed but cannot be stopped.

This is not a cynical view, just a clear one.

Forum: Serious Debate Fri, 11 Sep 2009
Topic: Mankind needs freedom ; With or without the help of K.

Prasanna P wrote: Are we sometimes becoming cynical ?

no, I just have a clear view from where I stand.

Prasanna P wrote: Human journey of attaining total freedom has already begun with K.

There was a world before K. The great journey begin centuries ago, long before K existed. And there were many prophets and many followers, where is the change? Look around you today, the condition of humanity, and you will find your answers.

Forum: Serious Debate Mon, 14 Sep 2009
Topic: Mankind needs freedom ; With or without the help of K.

Prasanna P wrote: Do you still have some hopes or lost all hopes?

I don't find this to be of much relevance to this objective observation and discussion.

Prasanna P wrote: Do you see there is any difference in the teachings of K and others ?

not much: at the core of all the messages is "know thy Self".

Forum: Serious Debate Mon, 14 Sep 2009
Topic: Can justice be enforced from outside?

Prasanna P wrote: Yet, have you ever wondered, how K's teachings kindled hopes in so many people, despite the world's situation has remained the same or even worsened ?

no I have not wondered. Now that you mention it , as memory recalls during past travels, certain areas of the world there has been greater change than others. In my direct perception of this immediate environment, it is not so. A study of the past up to the present , one can conclude the condition has deteriorated quite a bit. For many centuries, a great deal has been written about change within the human consciousness. It is one thing to hope, read and discuss and another to reach within the core for fundamental change.

Forum: Serious Debate Tue, 15 Sep 2009
Topic: Can justice be enforced from outside?

max greene wrote: Monic, Well, then, the question is--the first question is--why hasn't there been any change?

Monic Devi wrote: Because it brings power and wealth. The question is contradictory. A great man is a wise man. A wise man has a holistic perception and will not be caught in the narrowness of intellectualizing human suffering. Therefore the question should be " why men still prefer intellectual solutions.....?

Max, the initial question was previously addressed.

Forum: Question authority Mon, 21 Sep 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

Huguette Milberg wrote: What then is compassion

It is difficult to be analytical of compassion as it is stuff of the heart and not of the mind. I feel when we observe humanity as one, the universe as one, interconnected, there is an acknowledgment and understanding of the suffering of humanity in it's psychological state of ignorance. Within that realm of understanding is born a feeling of all things. It is not a personal, rather an impersonal feeling. The personal is when we suffer because of this division we have created from rest of humanity due to our conditioned mind.

Forum: The answer my friend is blowing in the wind Sat, 17 Oct 2009
Topic: Is there any love in this world ?

Francois Bresson wrote: I was just wandering if the true love is something to be possibly found in this society. Monkeys trully love their children (they also already flew to space) , but that doesn't count, I'm talking about the human society.

Perhaps to find this answer one must ask another question : is there love within?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 17 Jan 2011
Topic: Can there be real friendship in a world of conditionings and images ? (a question without seeking)
  1. what is 'real friendship'? and why do you need friendship?
  2. The fragmention is not in the world. The world is not the problem. and if it's not your 'I' than who is it?
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