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Thérèse Doyle Okamoto's Forum Activity | 223 posts in 11 forums


Forum: Show 'n' Tell Wed, 17 Jun 2009
Topic: Self

"i dont think... therefore i am not" - 3rd Millenium Maxim by Anonymous

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Wed, 17 Jun 2009
Topic: Meditation / Awareness

jean-m girard wrote: What hit me the most, was that meditation was to let thought happen and to follow them, to let it tell it story, going to the end of it, which is a big subject

i refer u 2 the discourse on the difference between Thought & Thinking...

Forum: Insights Wed, 17 Jun 2009
Topic: Commentaries on living

Ramesh G wrote: Troubles may come, but Life is beautiful.

Nobody Knows wrote: Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Wed, 17 Jun 2009
Topic: Meditation / Awareness

Yiming Zhang wrote: Does meditation have any practical value?

Is it lucrative? no
Is it healthy? yes

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Wed, 17 Jun 2009
Topic: Self

The power of disappointing them, it was true, must always be her's. But that was not enough; for when people are determined on a mode of conduct which they know to be wrong, they feel injured by the expectation of any thing better from them. - Jane Austen

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Wed, 17 Jun 2009
Topic: Meditation / Awareness

the way i understand it, thinking doesnt happen to us, we set our minds to thinking on purpose, i think the distinction is crucial in defining meditation as allowing thoughts to happen because it makes all the difference, in The Secret of the Golden Flower it says a hairsbreadth apart might as well be an abyss

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Thu, 18 Jun 2009
Topic: Meditation / Awareness

jean-m girard wrote: Are you saying by (we set our mind to thinking on purpose) that you choose a topic which you want a better understanding and then go into a state of meditation?

no, i would call that contemplation, thinking, i dont think i know how to not "allow" thoughts, i think its important to distinguish between thinking as active and thought arising passively, as it is to distinguish between meditate as a doing verb and a noun, which is to my mind, being in a state of meditation, i read the collection Meditations by JK and he writes of it as dynamic in a way which makes me believe one couldnt mistake it for anything else, i dont know which book it was from either but the most useful suggestion JK made, to me, on meditating was to begin by listening

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: Meditation / Awareness

people should be way beyond survival by now, the entire population of the world could fit into Rhode Island, there are more than enough resources to sustain us all generously and allow us to direct our energies to beauty, truth and goodness, the way i look at it, anything that makes people good, or is good for others, is good

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: Self

"An artist's only concern is to shoot for some kind of perfection, and on his own terms, not anyone else's." - J.D. Salinger, Franny and Zooey

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: Meditation / Awareness

from the word "choiceless" one can infer there is no "way" - there is no way to enter a meditative state, one can choose to sit down & empty the mind but one cannot choose whether or not one will be successful at it... faith is choiceless, one can believe in order to understand, but one cannot decide to have faith ...

Forum: The Sacred Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: Consciousness

Michael Cecil wrote: consciousness was an element of the physical universe. But it is not a living consciousness, the chemistry of life not having yet existed; nor it is a human consciousness, the neurology capable of self-reflection not yet existing. But it is a consciousness which permeates all of the physical reality

this is fascinating to me, all the talk of psychosis goes right out the window, it seems just as likely to be true as any other theory of the nature of consciousness, many people believe it, i just read a book Bachelor Brothers Bed & Breakfast where the auto mechanics get in touch with the car's spirit to diagnose the problem... how does consciousness relate to The Sacred, the word faith comes to mind, lets say faith is a form of trusting that what you believe is true even though you can't prove it, if you believe everything is sacred then you have faith in everything, if i have faith in you i trust you, what if i don't trust anyone? what if i trust you and you don't trust me? is my faith in you radiating like an energy field into your consciousness...

my faith consists of the simple principle Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers and sisters, that you do unto me. this is my way of saying the observer is the observed? What is the reality of faith in consciousness? Can my consciousness overlap with another's?

(i am going somewhere with this)

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Fri, 26 Jun 2009
Topic: Meditation / Awareness

rachMiel ... wrote: not trying to defeat; "be a light unto yourself" but rather: questioning his methodology

what is consciousness without content? what is the mind like when it isnt being useful?

in another thread there is a expression of the deep seated fears that arise when getting close to emptying the last iota of conditioning and entering a meditative state, if one even attempts to think about what that might look like it can cause anxiety... this scary stage of meditation is documented in the book Stumbling To Enlightenment by Geri Larson, from detroit, she was a high power business consultant who developed a nervous tic in her eye and her doctor gave her some tranquilizers and she got another tic in her other eye, so her doctor recommended meditation, in a week both tics were gone never to return, the experience is related in her about how she became a buddhist...

my point being we can gain lots of intelligence about methods of meditation from many sources and when you actually sit down to do it, it can give you a fright and as all terrorists are well aware, people will do anything to not be afraid, so dont give up, to my mind, JKs simple methodology keeps my interior thoughts from arising because by listening, consciousness can become more & ever more passive, closer to the matter of yin, helpless without the energy of yang

JK expresses somewhere the first step of meditation is listening and so is the last step, this seems to me as useful if not more useful as zen or yoga or tao meditative instruction and i can carry it with me all day everyday through the ordinary beauty and the bewildering confusion

Forum: the end of discussion Sun, 28 Jun 2009
Topic: WAIT!

i waited so long for kinfonet to come back and here it is and it has become an unwieldy behemoth, which as you may or may not know, lives in swamp - i want to share JK with the world and i am disappointed with the moderators who are not taking responsibility for their forums, the same topics are being discussed in several places, we need to be looking at other threads where the exact same discussion is taking place, i dont think i should have to answer the exact same sincere inquiry with the exact same opinion in several places, there is going to be some overlap, still, lets look at this, lets pay careful attention... the moderator response (note the root word) should provide clarity, help us to remain READABLE, the moderator response should show that they have been listening and that they understand the message, in other words take the time, because it is a commitment to JK himself that you have made here, otherwise step down from your self-appointed position as arbitrator of JKs philosophy so that someone who is willing to can DO THE WORK so that someone who has never been introduced to JK can come here and choose a topic and read it and understand

we've been back on-line now for June (nothing so lovely as) and in this brief time the forum (not as lovely as too) is out of control. it is not too much to ask for a reasonable exchange of ideas moving progressively toward a modicum of concensus... JK is rich with insight but he is not that complicated, in fact, his whole life seems to be dedicated and committed to the idea that we are all making life way more complicated than it really is, lets reflect that!

it seems to me the profile interview questions have covered the topics best of all, i am wishing i could respond to those responses and inquire further into them since they are so very much more focused

plus i miss the real time chat because it was inspired and it was friendly

worse i have a person following me, so I send them a message thinking they must have some esteem for my writing and they dont answer so now I feel stalked as well. Beautiful.

and, the KFA website has also reviewed Kinfonet if youre interested

i would like to suggest that as a moderator whose topic has already gotten out of hand that you simply create an article and post it, in its entirety, so that it wouldnt have been a waste of time, and send a message to your participants telling them why you cant do the work, or telling them their contribution fits in another forum as well where the same topic is being discussed or telling them you feel the subject has been exhausted and you are writing a truly excellent article and crediting them with their brilliant insights, and BONUS the forum will always be open to new moderators who have truly excellent intelligent questions pertaining to specific points of difficulty with, departure from, or elaboration of JKs life work

PRETTY PLEASE

Forum: The Sacred Sun, 28 Jun 2009
Topic: Consciousness

Ramesh G wrote: I belong to the O ye of little faith category

Why are ye fearful?

Forum: the end of discussion Sun, 28 Jun 2009
Topic: WAIT!

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as i never get what i want, i certainly have no false hope of it after all this time, so i have arrived at a great appreciation of your ability to colorfully illustrate what I had written by demonstrating how easy it is to not speak at what is being said.

those who know me well could tell you automatically wanting to make order is not something i can automatically be accused of, on the contrary... what they could also tell you is that i am a reader, and as a reader i have learned that writing is attempting to convey something and that some of us are better at it than others so that if someone has taken on the task of moderating it would behoove them to take their commitment seriously enough to accomplish what they have set out to do with some standard of excellence

and yes, while the universe has order, are very thoughts are disorder, otherwise JK would never have had a thing to say for himself, and again i appreciate your not so subtle example so beautifully contained within the very phrase as not only "our" thoughts but also our writing is sometimes careless for which while we may or may not feel the need to apologize, but which any self respecting moderator would feel the need to rectify, it is not unnatural to "want" some effort, especially, as i said, from self-appointed moderators who have chosen to facilitate the communications herein, nor is it unacceptable to want some of these same moderators to realize they are not up to it and to hope that they might yield the floor, such as it is

while im sure you know i do not feel it is either my place or my intent to lay down the law, bare criticism isnt helpful and when one is aware of some possibility for improvement and finds a way to not only appreciate but also emulate JK in what is afterall his website then we will all of us together actually have a better situation here, especially in the matter of flooding the forum with topics which overlap and therefore deprive the users who do not have the time or the energy to moderate of the varied range of ideas herein pertinent to the topic which they have chosen to give their attention to because the same topic is being addressed in several forums simultaneously

i certainly didnt decide after a long time to make a place where K students can chat i was in fact deploring that kinonet used to have a place where people who share a passion for JK could chat and now it is gone, as to immediately wanting to better it, geez there are already 2000 posts written here, it is never too soon to begin threshing and it may already be too late, the flooding of information is a proven viable form of disabling intelligence, im sure our aim here is to enable it

i actually dont know of anyone who believes that have finally worked it all out unless it is you as i have noticed that one of the most common defense mechanisms is heedless projection, i.e., most of our language tells us more about ourselves, which is why i pray that those who believe they have any sort of affinity for JK at all will arrive at trying to be true to his calling because his language tells us as much about ourselves as it does about him, that is a gift only a true and excellent listener can bestow

Forum: the end of discussion Tue, 30 Jun 2009
Topic: WAIT!

Keshni Sahni wrote: see the fire of discontent in therese, rather than frustration

"fire of discontent" sounds dramatic but no its just plain old frustration that the people who share my esteem for JK are unwilling or unable to be careful of his reputation by making his website user friendly for the the curious, the explorers and the really discontented, perhaps it is asking a lot, im feeling this is how JK felt when he frequently said, words to the effect that, people who heard his message were for the most part unlikely to understand his take on our lot in life

Forum: the end of discussion Sun, 05 Jul 2009
Topic: WAIT!

it isnt a matter of comparison, my frustration is because no one seems to be speaking at what is being discussed, this isnt about how i feel, its about taking responsibility for a discussion and then not taking the responsibility, it shouldnt be remarkable to be a successful moderator, and yet, it is

Forum: Insights Mon, 06 Jul 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

max greene wrote: complete realization that all search is futile?

find out!

Forum: the end of discussion Tue, 07 Jul 2009
Topic: WAIT!

nick carter wrote: The good thing about being your own moderator is that you can delete those posts and keep the conversation on track.

better than deleting it would be to take the time to reply in kind and call them out on their crap...

Forum: Insights Tue, 07 Jul 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

Toni Lorenzo wrote: Nothing can grow in us that is of spiritual importance. It has to be there in all its fullness, and the only thing that happens is that we become more and more aware of it

what this means to me is that people have good hearts naturally

Forum: The Sacred Fri, 10 Jul 2009
Topic: The sacred and profane

do you know the scene in the play Our Town when Emily gets a chance to come back from death for just a typical morning at home? she finds it unbearably beautiful

Forum: Question authority Fri, 10 Jul 2009
Topic: observation

i like this thread. it occurs to me that some people use their mind as a tool to achieve which leaves the person open to use it, others think they are their mind in which case they become trapped because starting with the premise "i am what i think i am" you have nowhere left to go... who can tell you you're not who you think you are?

my very own personal opinion is that people have good hearts and the mind suffering from a broken heart can lose sight of their own goodness and all the good things about life become mere words, or ideals, a broken heart can become heartless just to avoid the exquisite pain of understanding that beauty is truth and truth is beauty and that is all we know on earth and all we need to know (thank you John Keats)

Forum: the end of discussion Fri, 10 Jul 2009
Topic: WAIT!

free-for-all is an excellent idea because then if one wants to express something without inviting a dialogue one has somewhere to write, i used to write JK inspired poetry on kinfonet and was always being kicked off because the moderators were utterly prosaic in their understanding

i think deleting is not a good idea ever, its anti-JK

it would be lovely though, if each moderator deciding when their thread has reached its logical conclusions and writing it up as an essay with all the information, reference, examples, arguments and yes, taking footnote of how the topic is steered into a tangent, why even beginning a new thread based on the incidental, this would give the curious, the unconvinced and the confused a place to realize the fundamentals of intelligence as JK defined them, which doubtless involves excellence of rhetoric

Forum: the end of discussion Tue, 14 Jul 2009
Topic: WAIT!

Ute Schoder wrote: one might end up preaching

this reminds me of something i read once, i cant remember who wrote it but they said "the only thing preaching does is teaches people to preach" ... it might have been kierkegaard

Forum: Question authority Tue, 14 Jul 2009
Topic: observation

Randal Shacklett wrote: Other than achievement(accumulation), what can the human mind do? I think you must be looking for the "John Keats discussion forum". Second door on the right.

oh! this ISN'T the JK discussion forum? im sure it is, you must be mistaken... you've got me worried about you... all your mind does is achieve (accumulate)? i suppose that could be gratifying to feel nothing but accomplished, but what do you do with the poetry? do you pretend to like bad poetry? do you deliberately misunderstand good poetry? have you given up poetry altogether?

Forum: Question authority Tue, 14 Jul 2009
Topic: Religion: Humanity's Bitter Curse

blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Forum: Question authority Tue, 14 Jul 2009
Topic: Religion: Humanity's Bitter Curse

it is the first of the beatitudes, as i think you might know, maybe, but what does it mean?

Forum: the end of discussion Wed, 15 Jul 2009
Topic: WAIT!

nick carter wrote: Sure, if they can acknowledge their crap. Usually they just defend it.

even crap gets due process

Forum: the end of discussion Wed, 15 Jul 2009
Topic: WAIT!

Ute Schoder wrote: nobody is with you

JK spent his life recognizinng nobody.

Forum: the end of discussion Wed, 15 Jul 2009
Topic: WAIT!

Peter Stephens asked: To see beauty in the words or the beauty the words point to?

Y do U ask?