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Forum: Experimenter's Corner Thu, 02 Mar 2017
Topic: What are actually the K-Teachings ?

Jan Kasol wrote: Memory and thought are mechanical.

Are we to take that as fact without further investigation, inquiry?

Certainly, one can point to many mechanical aspects of thought and memory but does the word "mechanical" convey the whole?

Firstly, what is meant by the word "mechanical?"

(Should this be taken to a new thread rather than a deviation from this one??)

Forum: Experimenter's Corner Sun, 26 Mar 2017
Topic: What are actually the K-Teachings ?

John Raica wrote: Suddenly a change takes place in K; he negates salvation, eternity as a fixed point and so destroys the horizontal movement of time as such. Now what exactly took place? If we could understand and see as if through a microscope what happened to Krishnamurti, if we could examine what happened to his brain cells which contained this horizontal movement of time, it might be possible for us to understand time and mutation in relation to the brain cells.

What an incredible passage. Almost very word an unsupported assumption. How would P know that a "sudden change" took place in K. Where is there any evidence at all of that? She has taken it on faith.

Did he negate salvation? Had he believed in salvation and then suddenly negated that belief? Where is there any evidence that K ever believed in salvation. He himself said he didn't, that everything taught in theosophy had no effect on him. Yet he said in his famous speech that his aim was to set everyone free of all conditions. That sounds like salvation to me, though I wasn't there.

Do the brain cells contain the "horizontal movement of time? How does she know that? All the conclusions that follow about what "might be possible" rest on that unsupported claim.

What I am interested in is looking at what in me is acceptance of things other people have said but which I have not found out or affirmed independently. I think that was K's concern too. Personally, rather than negate 'salvation,' which I have never believed in and do not have to negate, I would prefer to negate the 'salivation' that occurs when I, you or anyone hears what they want to hear and thinks no further about it. Those who bring us juicy morsels to confirm our own prejudices do us a disservice. The servile attitude of P in that piece should be understood for what it is, fawning.

Forum: Experimenter's Corner Sat, 20 May 2017
Topic: Back to Basics

John Perkins. wrote: never attempt to ensure for themselves their own continuity. They take food when they're hungry for example, as opposed to amassing surplus against contingency.

Not quite so, as with squirrels, for example. Then again, you don;t see many billionaire squirrels. But look at it more roundly, when a cat secures its territory it is precisely doing what you say animals don't do, amassing, but in this case it is land which holds its bounty, not the bounty itself. These tendencies exist strongly in many animals but are contained by the natural order of things, as they are. In humankind, they have the capacity to run rampant for two reasons, man's physical capacity to harness nature and his mental capacity to do so. Put simply, nature never evolved the stop button to its processes.

John Perkins. wrote: But pre the arrival of self consciousness there were no 'inner needs'.

Again, I get the point but it is only partly right in its expression. Animals do have inner needs, for the feelings of security and so on, but they tend to lessen with maturity. You must know that elephants cry when they lose their laved ones, birds pine, dogs wail and so on. The emotional template was established before humankind evolved its current brain. When animals physical needs are not met they experience a psychic or psychological disturbance which propels them to try to meet their needs. For every outer need there is the essential inner disturbance which leads towards its satisfaction.

It's not intelligence that leads the horse to water (though that is involved) but thirst, which is a subjective state of inner need. What seems to be different in humankind is that its needs become displaced, the objects of their satisfaction can be changed, exalted by thought, abstracted beyond recognition and in short, made totally neurotic. The key factor in this is the emergence of complex thought.

I think I'm not differing with you on this, John, just making some additional and relevant observations. Self-consciousness is an accelerator of the processes but the key factor is thought itself, the larger part of which is not generally self-conscious.

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