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Forum: A Quiet Space Tue, 20 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

I have been watching the Forum for a while and seen the time and devotion that people put into the inquiry on this forum . I wasnt sure if I can offer the same kind of devotion to an online forum and it didnt seem fair to participate only half heartedly. Its Time to try something new. Watching the forums one cant help but notice that there is a fundamental conflict that underlines our Relationships.

Conflict seems to sneak into everything that we do it seems right down at the heart of our being. Wherever one looks there is conflict .

Personally I observed this recently and I found that I dont even know what relationship really is. There is only what I have been told what it is. It seems important to find out what it means in order to understand the constant conflict within ourselves and with other people. Sure there is all sorts of explanations that are circling around but what does it really mean to be related?

And what does it mean to be in conflict?

What are the requirements for conflict and relationship?

Is relationship something very fundamental that is always there or something that can be brought about?

All that i have got is Theories.

I apologise if this has been already covered in other topics or if the questions seem rather trivial. Maybe these questions are of not much importance, I am not sure. Maybe we could talk about this a little.

What is the cause of this? Or is it not very fruitfull to talk about causes? Sometimes I feel that explaining something through its cause is really a way of escaping from what is actually happening but I might be wrong there.

This turned out to be rather long .

I am curious about where this will lead us.

Regards

Hans

Forum: A Quiet Space Tue, 20 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

Just discovering the features of this forum. Allready there is so much that i would like to go into more deeply.

Forum: A Quiet Space Tue, 20 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

Tom Paine wrote: One fragment wants to quit his job...another feels he must conform to the demands of the office or factory. This is one very common form of conflict. There's conflict in relationship to

It seems whenever we talk about conflict we talk about conflict between a and b. The focus is on between here. So there have to be at least 2 movements involved right? And does movements are not going in the same direction .

Forum: A Quiet Space Tue, 20 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

Tom Paine wrote: Isn't conflict always related to conformity?

i have never looked at it this way . Yes that makes sense. conformity to a certain pattern.

Forum: A Quiet Space Thu, 22 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

natarajan shivan wrote: As I see, relationship could be considered as constancy in contact which forms the basis for self knowing.

So there has to be some sort of contact in order to be related. This might not be physical right? I cant find an example of something that does exist in isolation but i dont think there is such thing.

Also for conflict there has to be some sort of contact . A contact where there is friction of some kind.

I begin to see how the idea of being a sepperate entity must create conflict. But maybe not. Is it possible to be sepperate without creating friction?

Forum: A Quiet Space Thu, 22 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

How would you describe what an image is? And how does it affect relationship?

Forum: A Quiet Space Thu, 22 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

natarajan shivan wrote: No, separation implies friction, but what is implied in perception/contact is not separation but difference (the creation of fact/reality) and along with it, the potential for action.

Why does separation imply friction? Im not saying it its wrong but why is this so?

Is it maybe because this separation is based on ideas and is not an actual fact? This separation then would be the denial of a fact and one can see how that causes friction.

Do you equate perception and contact?

Forum: A Quiet Space Thu, 22 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

Juan E. wrote: is that relationship/conflict actually between A and B, or it is simply between A and A (A meaning myself)?

Could we try to go into what we mean by Myself and I?

Forum: A Quiet Space Thu, 22 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

natarajan shivan wrote: hans heiler wrote:

Do you equate perception and contact? Yes

could you explain this a little?

Forum: A Quiet Space Sat, 24 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

Juan E. wrote: A thought-autonomous entity that feels it is divided from everything, and not depending in anything to exist as such? ... What do you think?

Its hard to define for me. What you describe i can certainly observe also in myself. This feeling of being separate and not influenced by the environment. This idea of myself crystalises with every statement one makes about oneself.

Forum: A Quiet Space Sat, 24 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

Clive Elwell wrote: This seems highly relevant to your post. The lack of understanding of relationship causes conflict.

What do you say?

Well , i wonder how we could ever understand this whole movement. Cleverness hasnt helped us very much. How could we approach this intelligently.

Forum: A Quiet Space Sun, 25 Sep 2016
Topic: Conflict in Relationship

All Conflict is within the field of Relationship isnt it? Relationship here means interaction . In our daily life Thought reacts accordingly to the individual conditioning . Conditioning seems always be linked to some sort of Emotion. A strong Emotional response like Fear creates a strong conditional reflex. The same for pleasure of course but maybe not as strong.

These reflexes seem to get constantly triggered and are usually not seen as a reaction to something but rather affect perception in a way that is very distorting.

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