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Forum: Experimenter's Corner Mon, 17 Apr 2017
Topic: Are we actually machines?

Peter Kesting wrote: because I know at what your "thought experiment" is aiming, to somehow prove that you are unique.

Peter: You cannot possibly know that sir, in fact it is exactly the very opposite.

It's all very well - and somehow paraphrasing Krishnamurti - that we're 'a bundle of memories', eventually of influences, but we certainly are 'unique' in this life that we're just living and that's why it's so important to live now, in the present, because when we're gone, we're gone and only what we have done in this life can make a difference. It all comes to either getting back to the stream or stepping out of it.

Forum: Experimenter's Corner Tue, 18 Apr 2017
Topic: Pages from the Book of Life

The following is an excerpt taken from a yoga magazine written years ago because of the terrorist attacks that now have become part of our everyday life: 'Christians have a saying that the Devil can quote scripture for his own ends. Sri Ramakrishna said:«Books - I mean, the scriptures - contain a mixture of sand and sugar. The sadhu takes the sugar, leaving aside the sand. He takes only the essence.» There are two relevant ideas here. First, taking the Devil to mean our own unspiritual thoughts and feelings, individual or group, when we use scripture as a guide to action we must examine our own motives. Are we trying, as Prophet Mohammed urges us, «to be free from malice, from morning till night, from night till morning?» Second, some parts of scripture are more valuable than others. Will even the most literal-minded Christian claim that the begats are as important as the Ten Commandments, The Sermon on the Mount, or I Corinthians 13? Will even the most orthodox Hindu say that The Bhavavad Gita is no more important than any part of The Mahabharata? The American College Dictionary defines religion primarily as the quest for the values of the ideal life, involving three phases: the ideal, the practices for attaining the values of the ideal and the theology or worldview relating the quest to the environing universe. When people misuse scripture to justify acting out their hatred, resentment, or lust for power, the result is toxic - to the victim, to the perpetrator, and to the religion professed. Why has religion historically been involved in so much bloodshed and oppression? Because its outer expression through scripture and tradition has been used by the evil tendencies within us to justify even the most horrible action.' Then, in Commentaries on Living by Krishnamurti he tells us at a certain point: ' The other day someone said that he was a «Krishnamurtiite», whereas so-and-so belonged to another group. As he was saying it, he was utterly unconscious of the implications of this identification. (...) To experiment need there be identification? Does not the very act of identification put an end to inquiry, to discovery? The happiness that truth brings cannot be if there is no experimentation in self-discovery. Identification puts an end to discovery; it is another form of laziness. Identification is vicarious experience, and hence utterly false. (...) It is fear that makes for identification. (...) Identification is a refuge. A refuge needs protection, and that which is protected is soon destroyed. What I find is relevant in both excerpts is that both at the root of terrorist action and a lot that's going on in so-called krishnamurti environments there is a lot of this referred malice (by Prophet Mohammed) disguised as a biased interpretation of the teachings which in principle were written to bring wisdom and harmony to human beings.

Forum: Experimenter's Corner 19 hours ago
Topic: Are we actually machines?

Dan McDermott wrote: then you leave those old ideas and you begin. There is only 'beginning'. There is only 'now'.

Yes, that's a crucial moment as I understand it.There is this discussion between Krishnamurti and David Bohm which has brought about the book The Limits of Thought where in the chapter 'Living in Truth' Krishnamurti addresses David Bohm like this: '«Are you saying , sir, when the operation of thought is straight, rational, sane, healthy, holy, that has a relationship to this space?» And they start enquiring about 'reality' operating on thought so that by seeing the distortions that 'old habits' cause in our lives, an energy produced by this seeing eliminates the distortions... Then a further interesting question put forward by Krishnamurti is: «is there harmony between the two?» ... and he adds further on: «Thought is measure, time; that measurement can be distorted or rational». It's all to be pondered on.

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