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Forum: Experimenter's Corner Mon, 14 Aug 2017
Topic: What are actually the K-Teachings ?

John Raica wrote: f beauty is merely an opposite (to vulgarity & ugliness?) , it is not ( a holistic ?) beauty. The love ( to look or listen to something ?) is not a self-conscious activity. It is something outside the field of the ( all-knowing ?) mind.

That's the point: beauty is outside the field of the mind, as love and compassion are. Now, I think I read (or was told) somewhere that these conversations are mostly made up by Krishnamurti in order to meet something he wants to impart. In this conversation, of course the noise and consequent sense of ugliness that this person may have felt has not to do with occasional noise and ugliness! One thing is to live in a certain place where you have to dispend your energy at work and with people around, another is to pass by and then find some rest in some place you identify with (usually called home). I think Krishnamurti is trying to point to an attitude which may be called equanimity which means that the superficial impressions you may experience won't upset the core of your sensitivity, but the thing is put in a way that Krishnamurti may seem to be just blaming the person for not being sensitive enough.

Forum: Experimenter's Corner Tue, 15 Aug 2017
Topic: What are actually the K-Teachings ?

Jess S wrote: I think Krishnamurti is trying to point to an attitude which may be called equanimity which means that the superficial impressions you may experience won't upset the core of your sensitivity

Also, just by chance this morning, I found this book 'Cittaviveka' by an American monk who lived in Thailand and England for many years, I think, and the following excerpt on Metta that caught my eye may perhaps put more light on the matter: 'Metta means a lot more than just kindness, an awareness - kind awareness. Metta means we can coexist peacefully in a kindly way with the sentient beings within us and with beings outside. It does not mean liking, does it? Some people go that extreme. They say, «I love my weaknesses because that's really me. I wouldn't be me if I didn't have my wonderful weaknesses.» That's silly. Metta is being patient, being able to co-exist with, rather than trying to annihilate the pests of our minds.Our society is very much one that annihilates pests both inwardly and outwardly, wanting to create an environment where there are no pests. I hear monks say,«I can't meditate because there are too many mosquitoes, if only we could get rid of them.» Even though you can never really like mosquitoes, you can have Metta for them, respecting their right to exist and not getting caught up in resentment at their presence. Similarly, if I can have Metta for the depressed mood at the moment and allow it to be there, recognising it and not demanding that it may not be there, it will go. Feelings like these arise naturally and go away. We make them stay longer because we want them to go all the time. The struggle of trying to get rid of something we do not like seems to make it stay longer than it would otherwise. The more we try to control nature, manipulate it according to our greed and desire, the more we end up polluting the whole earth. People are getting really worried now because we can see so much pollution from all the chemicals and pesticides that we use to try to get rid of the things in nature that we don't want. When we try to annihilate the pests in our mind we end up with pollution too - we have nervous breakdowns and then the pests come back stronger than ever.'

Forum: Experimenter's Corner 1 day ago
Topic: What are actually the K-Teachings ?

John Raica wrote: but the 'son of man' having not such a place ( since the 'Kingdom of Heaven' was supposed to be it)

Yes! I think we can generally say here that there is no place where we can keep love, compassion, beauty... it just doesn't belong to us... maybe we can be co-workers in allowing it to be expressed in this world if we live the right way... which has to be found every moment of our life and that's one of the reasons why Krishnamurti said that 'truth is a pathless land'.

Forum: Experimenter's Corner 8 hours ago
Topic: What are actually the K-Teachings ?

John Raica wrote: You cannot hold the wind (or the Sea) in your fist'

Thank you for reminding us of these beautiful metaphors. This reminds me also of 'the flight of the eagle', for example. The problem is that these images may tell different things apart from what Krishnamurti meant to convey no matter how beautiful they may sound.

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