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Forum: General Discussion Wed, 16 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Paul Dimmock wrote: Or one finds out why it hurts to get bitten. Right?

Unless one gets pleasure out of a snake bite . It is called masochism which is a form of self-destruction.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 16 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

I just used that story as an example . My point is that emptying the consciousness from illusions is not a matter of will or desire. It is a matter of great investigation into one's mind that no one wants to do. We want quick answers and there are no quick answers to complicated problems.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 16 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Krishnamurti:So I want to find out something much more. We started with the present. The present is the now, the now is the whole movement of time-thought. Right? It is the whole structure. If the structure of time and thought ends the now has totally a different meaning. The now then is nothing. I mean, when we use the word 'nothing', zero contains all the figures. Right? So nothing contains all. But we are afraid to be nothing."

The nothingness that the ordinary Joe who works 9 to 5 thinks he may be is to be poor, or have nothing. The nothingness that k talks about in that paragraph is a physical fact. But our fear of being nothing is psychological and illusory.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 16 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Paul Dimmock wrote: Yes, but have we had this insight?

How does one know that he has had an insight? What is insight? What are we talking about here? With who's definition are we using all these words? Are we unconsciously trying to confuse ourselves? Unless we answer correctly to these questions we will continue doing the Merry go around as before.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 17 Jan 2019
Topic: What K teachings are central for you?

What is the relationship between thought (the self ) and love? Is there any relationship between the two at all(Relationship means contact.)?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 18 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Paul Dimmock wrote: So can we first just put the question and allow it some space to breathe and to flower: Can the mind be totally empty?

I think that is a wrong question to ask because the question implies becoming or being which involves time and conflict. The mind is either occupied with thought or the past or it is free to observe. The fact is that we are not free to observe. Let's stick to the fact that we are occupied with thought and not bring the opposite of "be totally empty" which is merely an idea.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 19 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Paul Dimmock wrote:

92 posts in this forum Offline Rich: Here is a very interesting part of a dialogue with Pupul:

K: The psyche is a bundle of memories - right? - and those memories are dead. They operate, they function, but they are the outcome of past experience which has gone. I am a movement of memories. Right? Now if I have an insight into that, there is nothing. I don't exist. (Dialogue 2, Brockwood Park, England -25 June 1983)

p- Yes, but have we had this insight? Or are we merely borrowing it from K?

Bellow I post a paragraph of what k said about the empty mind. I don't post it to support what I said earlier. Here k clearly explains what he means by an empty mind and how it can come into being. He takes you there ,the rest is up to us.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 19 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Part II - Chapter 10 - 5th Public Talk, Saanen - 19th July 1977.

To live without comparison is to remove a tremendous burden. If you remove the burden of comparison, imitation, conformity, adjustment, modification, then you are left with “what is”. Conflict arises only when you try to do something with “what is”, try to transform it, to modify it, to change it, or to suppress it, run away from it. But if you have an insight into “what is” then conflict ceases; you are left with “what is”. And what happens to “what is”? What is the state of your mind when you are looking at “what is”? What is the state of your mind when you are not escaping, not trying to transform, or deform “what is”? What is the state of that mind that is looking and has insight? The state of the mind that has insight is completely empty. It is free from escapes, free from suppression, analysis and so on. When all these burdens are taken away – because you see the absurdity of them, it is like taking away a heavy burden – there is freedom. Freedom implies an emptiness to observe. That emptiness gives you insight into violence – not the various forms of violence, but the whole nature of violence and the structure of violence; therefore there is immediate action about violence, which is to be free, completely, from all violence.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 19 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

I have a question from you Paul and I want an honest answer ,the answer is yes or no(no other explanations please.) When you wrote the above had you read my post of k ? Yes or no.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 19 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Thought is divided. One part tells the other part what to do . One part assumes that it is independent by telling the other parts what to do. But the observer is the observed. Thought can't bring change the world because it is in constant conflict with itself.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 20 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Do you really think that we have been inquiring in here? Inquiring together implies having the same mind with the same intensity at the same level. Is that even possible in these kind of back and forth which is not even alive? I am here to learn only from Krishnamurti and related topics. We don't know anything and There is nothing we can learn or teach each other except grammar or spelling . Apart from that you asked can the mind be completely empty? Have you stopped comparing ? Does not that question imply altering "what is"? The desire to alter what is breeds conflict.

And there is no K who can come between any two people. What comes between two people is the image that they have constructed of k in their minds. I have no image of K what so ever. Do you have an image of k which you try to avoid in here?

Paul Dimmock wrote: , of course. But I am not interested in K. I have come here to enquire with you. I want to meet you. So why are you putting K between us? I also want an honest answer.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 21 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Jack Pine wrote: I am here to learn only from Krishnamurti and related topics.

This is the statement of a follower, a disciple, a true believer.

You worship yourself jack . You can't understand Krishnamurti. If you could you would have by now. Leave the teachings and continue worshiping yourself. Don't live with conflict .k is not for you. All you do is twist the teachings.

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Rich Nolet wrote: but to understand what is and go beyond; a total transformation, a radical mutation of the mind. That is what is propose by K.

The whole problem starts when one thinks that he can go beyond "what is"

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 22 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Jack Pine wrote: There is a Christian church here in Ojai that has a large sign, a banter, outside saying: BELIEVE BELONG BECOME.

So this is a christian church oppose to other churches according to Mr Anti -everything . He is anti -Krishnamurti ,anti -Christ, Anti- Idiot, Anti Goodman, and at last anti -oneself , ?????

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 22 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Patricia Hemingway wrote: Can you not simply listen to what is being said by Jack.

Listening is selective. I listen to Beethoven but I don't listen to meaningless raps.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 22 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Paul Dimmock wrote: But we are not going to find K here.

When I listen to Beethoven I don't look for him. I enjoy the music he wrote. The same wit k or any other philosopher.

Paul Dimmock wrote: We are only going to find a lot of flawed individuals just like ourselves.

That is for sure. Not only in this k forum also in Krishnamurti network site which is even more childish.

Paul Dimmock wrote: is it possible to start our enquiry in the right way, with the right question?

Yes we can , only when we know what "right question" means. The problem is that some of us are incapable of clarity due to our previous life and habits. We all want to proceed but some of us can't due to confusion that we are in. In America that one lives in there is a great confusion. State governments are against federal government and they got the power to shut down the federal government through republicans. People in this country are in coma. They don't see what is coming to them. So as long as one is confused and half sleep his or her questions should also be confusing .

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 22 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Patricia Hemingway wrote: Why was K so adamant about the danger of his words being taken as dogma, insisting always that he was just a passer-by pointing something out? Demanding no followers! Question everything. Find out first-hand.

Do you know what that word "follower" means?,seriously. Can you make an example of how a person can possibly be a follower of the teachings ? When you bring the idea of worshiping the teaching (which we call Krishnamurti) or following Krishnamurti don't you expose yourself as a person that doesn't talk from his or her direct experience?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 23 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Never mind. It is like pumping water to a dead tree . No one can possibly be a follower of the teachings. That itself tells me that you two never understood k . You merely use the words that you heard from him here and there and inject it into the discussions which has absolutely no value. But don't let me stop you.:=)

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 23 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Jack Pine wrote: If so then you are following what K has already discovered not anything you have discovered. That's the very definition of a follower.

One wonders if jack is even capable of clarity. He thinks that by labeling someone he has figured him out! His collection of labels are ,follower, worshiper,what else? Asshole,supporter of trump . He doesn't know that his words are as empty and meaningless as his mind is.:-)

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 23 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Jack Pine wrote: Labeling. You don't see what a complete hypocrite you are do you

Let's see who is a complete hypocrite. The one who sends obscene messages to someone who doesn't even care to read his nonsense. You call me asshole in your private message. if you want I can post it here for everyone to see what kind of a person you are. I don't even know why KFA allows you to go there and poison the foundation.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 23 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Why should we accept anything?

You point out the behavior of a person in this site to others and that person immediately puts "you" instead of his name and posted it. That is cheap . that is not using his brain. because it is imitation which is violence according to Krishnamurti and anybody who is aware. .

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 23 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Paul Dimmock wrote: It is all about the quality of our questions. Where are our questions coming from? Are they just our pet questions? Are they arising from our prejudices and opinions? Are they tethered by the desire to arrive at a certain fixed conclusion?

A confused mind is incapable of asking the right question. If that is a fact then What will de-confuse the confused mind? That is the real question. Can a confused mind clarify itself or it is doomed to be confused till the end?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 24 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Jack Pine wrote: Instead of inventing the opposite of the problem, in this case "a de-confused mind", why not stay with the confusion and understand that without wanted to escape to a solution that thought has invented?

It is unfortunate that you keep proposing action before understanding the question. Are you trying to show off among people that you know that you have something to say? Is that why you state the obvious? I pose the question again

Do you guys look at the question in the same way that jack sees it? Or you don't care period (which is most likely the case). That is why you are always silent when you should not be silent..

One Self wrote: A confused mind is incapable of asking the right question. If that is a fact then What will de-confuse the confused mind? That is the real question. Can a confused mind clarify itself or it is doomed to be confused till the end?

I say the question again until we get it. Can a confused mind clarify itself or it is doomed to be confused till the end?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 24 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Jack Pine wrote: Instead of inventing the opposite of the problem, in this case "a de-confused mind", why not stay with the confusion and understand that without wanted to escape to a solution that thought has invented?

It is unfortunate that you keep proposing action before understanding the question. Are you trying to show off among people that you know that you have something to say? Is that why you state the obvious? I pose the question again

Do you guys look at the question in the same way that jack sees it? Or you don't care period (which is most likely the case). That is why you are always silent when you should not be silent..

One Self wrote: A confused mind is incapable of asking the right question. If that is a fact then What will de-confuse the confused mind? That is the real question. Can a confused mind clarify itself or it is doomed to be confused till the end?

I say the question again until we get it. Can a confused mind clarify itself or it is doomed to be confused till the end?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 24 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Jack Pine wrote: In other words your conditioning kicks in and you're not seeing what is but rather you are seeing "confusion" and all of what that means to you.

Are you saying that confusion only exists because of the word "confusion" ? The word"confusion" has a negative connotation , we are aware of that . But confusion is a reality in the world, most of us are aware of the growing confusion in the world. Who is not?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 24 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

I wonder where Paul got the idea of "right question". It must be from Krishnamurti. So why not listen to the horse's mouth and see what Krishnamurti said about " the right kind of question" and end this beating around the bush that seems to me is not getting anywhere. Don't you think so?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 24 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

ques·tion (kw?s?ch?n) n. 1. A sentence, phrase, or gesture that seeks information through a reply. 2. a. A subject or point that is under discussion or open to controversy: the question of whether a new school should be built. b. A matter of concern or difficulty; a problem: This is not a question of too little money. 3. a. A proposition brought up for consideration by an assembly. b. The act of bringing a proposal to vote. 4. Law An issue in dispute for the resolution of a court. 5. Uncertainty; doubt: There is no question about the validity of the enterprise. Her integrity is beyond question. v. ques·tioned, ques·tion·ing, ques·tions v.tr. 1. a. To ask a question or questions of (someone). b. To interrogate (a suspect, for example). See Synonyms at ask. 2. To pose a question or questions regarding (something); analyze or examine: researchers questioning which of the methods will work. 3. To express doubt about; dispute: questioned his sincerity; questioned the expense report. v.intr. To ask questions. Idioms: in question Under consideration or discussion. out of the question Not worth considering because of being too difficult or impossible: Starting over is out of the question. [Middle English, from Old French, legal inquiry, from Latin quaesti?, quaesti?n-, from *quaestus, obsolete past participle of quaerere, to ask, seek.]

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 24 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

Krishnamurti above without reference or even telling k said so. Hahaha..

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 24 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

What is confusion? It is contradiction between ones thought and one's action or conduct. It is essentially conflict within.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 25 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

I don't care to discuss abstractions . Krishnamurti:This evening I would like to talk out what is confusion and what is clarity. But before we go into that, I think we ought to understand for ourselves what is the intention of these talks. It would be a great pity if we listened merely to find answers to our problems. As I have often pointed out, and I hope you will not mind if I say it again, there is only the problem, there is no answer; for in the understanding of the problem lies its dissolution.

So I think it would be wise to listen, not in order to find an answer or to receive instructions, but to discover for oneself, in the very process of listening, the truth about confusion and clarity.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 25 Jan 2019
Topic: Can we ask the right question?

That is why I say that I am here to learn from Krishnamurti , not from second handed knowledge which is merely intellectual without any basis.