Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Mon, 03 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Discussions between Mary Zimbalist and another close associate of K. Issue #1 available online for free (click the above link). From an email from a fellow with a deep interest in K.: The best news I got in a long time was that Scott Forbes is publishing Mary Z's memoirs. I was told by a foundation that those memoirs would not be published for 50 years after her death -- a numbing falsehood -- why should people have access to it in 50 years and not now? I reached out to Scott Forbes, an ex-trustee of KFT and someone I know was very close to both K and Mary Z, to ask if he likes to be video-interviewed -- and also to ask about Mary Z's memoirs. I was hoping to get him to leak it before 50 years :-) And first thing he said was to talk about this monumental project. He's been publishing Mary's memoirs in series. Mary spent more time with K than anyone in the last years of his life when he was in the West. I immediately subscribed to the whole series (over 100 issues released weekly) and have found the diaries to be extremely interesting. You can find more info by visiting www.inthepresenceofk.org Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/inthepresenceofkrishna... |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 05 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: "Peace not of this world" | |
I wonder what the motive is when we point out 'bullshit' in another...in what they do or say or think. Is it to shine light on the truth by dispelling the darkness or is it to shine light on oneself for being a dispeller of darkness? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 05 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: "Peace not of this world" | |
Mr me speak: Yes, trying to find out the truth from an already taken fixed position is favorite pastime of me. So all will and desire is an action of the 'me' then, would you say? K. would have never given talks if there were no will and desire, because we'd all have been living in truth, already, and who would have attended? But we're not, so he did, and we're here reading and discussing the 'teachings'. We have to begin somewhere, unless we're already free and whole, which we're obviously not. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 05 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: "Peace not of this world" | |
To answer your first statement: I don't know what the motive was, I was just asking a question. Perhaps the word 'bullshit' as used in this forum is mostly used out of bias and reaction, perhaps not. I know very well that the word 'bullshit' speaks for itself, but how one was using it was the question....with what motive...conscious or unconscious intent. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Fri, 07 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: "Peace not of this world" | |
A lot of this thread seems to be nothing more than proof of the old saying: “A little learning is a dangerous thing" |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Mon, 10 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
I'm sorry to see that this thread turned out to be a bit of a barroom brawl for a while there....and on a Krishnamurti forum, no less. I never imagined my posting of that link would cause such a ruckus! But, if the 'me' and the 'you' are seen to be just thought images, what is there to attack or defend (attacking and defending are two sides of the same coin, as I see it)? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Mon, 10 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Unfortunately, this battle of images all too often leads to physical violence. War is 'what is' too. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Mon, 10 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
I was replying to your question of 'why' I was sorry. I'm sorry about the human condition....'me' against 'you'... because it leads to all the violence and suffering we see out there in the world and in ourselves. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Mon, 10 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Agreed....suffering, war, exploitation of man by man...the whole sorrowful tale since time immemorial. This is what motivates one to pick up a book by Krishnamurti in the first place, isn't it? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Mon, 10 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Well there's no choice unless your head is buried in the sand. Aren't you moved when you see news clips of bombings and other brutalities...when you read about genocide? I'll never forget the day I first saw newsreel footage from the Holocaust. I was 8 years old and up until then had a very happy childhood. I felt like I was living a nightmare but would never wake up. Unless one is a statue, I can't see how one can avoid being touched by all that. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
I thought it was obvious in the context of what I wrote...horrified, appalled, shocked, saddened. I'm sure you know what being moved by the violence in the news is like. You watch the news and you hear of a suicide bombing in Israel and an innocent child is blown to bits. You may have a child of your own, perhaps, and you think, "what if that was my own child". We're all moved to question, "why", aren't we? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Can you describe that? What takes thinking beyond it's limitation and fragmentation? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Can thought observe anything... or only exist in a divided state of thinking about something/itself? Thought is constantly creating the observer/observed division and perpetuating itself by it's very nature. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
:) the first sentence was a rhetorical question. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Are you implying that it's not a statement of fact about the nature of thought? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
No, it's not at all clear what you're getting at. "Thought is the observer and the observed" points to thought dividing itself into two parts and separating itself from what it observes. There's only observation when thought stops. Thought doesn't observe, but thinks about. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Came across this quote from K. on the web today: "Can we not look at the truth without creating ideas? It is almost instinctive with most of us when something true is put before us to create immediately an idea about it. And I think if we can understand why we do this so instinctively, almost unconsciously, then perhaps we shall understand if it is possible to be free from effort. So, why do we create ideas about truth? Surely that is important to find out, is it not? Either we see the truth nakedly, as it is, or we do not. But why do we have a picture about it, a symbol, a word, an image? - which necessitates a postponement, the hope of an eventual result. So, can we hesitantly and guardedly go into this process of why the mind creates the image, the idea? - that I must be this or that, I must be free from dependence, and so on. We know very well that when we see something very clearly, experience it directly, there is a freedom from it. It is that immediacy that is vital, not the picture or the symbol of the truth - on which all systems and philosophies and deteriorating organizations are built. So, is it not important to find out why the mind, instead of seeing the thing directly, simply, and experiencing the truth of it immediately, creates the idea about it? I do not know if you have thought about this. It may perhaps be something new. And to find the truth of it, please do not merely resist. Do not say, "What would happen if the mind did not create the idea? It is its function to create ideas, to verbalize, to recall memories, to recognize, to calculate." We know that. But the mind is not free, and it is only when the mind is capable of looking at the truth fully, totally, completely, without any barrier, that there is a freedom." |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Not insulted, but my mind is a boggled by this kind of response. 'If you don't agree with me, you're not worthy of a reply.' Is that it? "He who says he knows, does NOT know" (K.) |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Tue, 11 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
It wasn't said outright, but the fact is that you don't agree. I made the statement that thought doesn't observe but divides....creates distance(psychological), or something to that effect. And then you cut off the discussion. I'm assuming you disagreed. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Clear, but very odd, none the less. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
I'm starting to think you're just putting people on. Oh well, I don't want to waste any more time on this either. I'm quite happy to not discuss it further. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
IDK, but the first step for me over 40 years ago, when I was struggling with the issue of the immense suffering we've created on earth, was that I was fortunate enough to come across a book by Krishnamurti. Over the years, whenever I had a pressing issue, I'd pick up one of his books and open it to a random page, and he'd usually point my inquiry in exactly the right direction. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
I wish there was a simple solution like "pray to the Savior and he will answer your prayers", but it seems that we have to be willing to address the issue of our conditioning. However, most people won't even question it. They accept the armies and the organized religions and all the punishments and rewards as a given in life....like the air we all breathe. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Yes, but there's houses to be built and crops to pick and endless stuff to learn, so they ring the school bell....recess is over...it's time to get back to your studies :-) |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
"...why?" Is there any reason at all? or is it just happening of itself? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
I was just wondering something along a similar line after I posted that. Why is school learning made into a chore....or even worse, a torture for some? Perhaps K. was trying to address that aspect in the schools he founded. I haven't read any of his writing about that particular issue....why we've made learning in school and doing the things necessary for our survival(our daily work, assuming we have a job in an office or farm or wherever) into a struggle/conflict. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
I'm also a bit confused as to the meaning of Dean's 'only thinking and a body'. The flowers and trees and the oceans aren't just thought/thinking, obviously. Are you and I and awareness separate from those or is there only a unity? |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
But humans are more than thinking and a body, no? Thinking may obstruct awareness of our true nature, but thinking is not all there is, thinking along with the physical body. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
Is this in reference to escaping from pain, conflict? If so, that would be thought/thinking, yes. Taking refuge in the thoughts of a better future(based upon the past)...a better 'me'. |
Forum: Simply Krishnamurti | Wed, 12 Jun 2013 |
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Topic: In the presence of Krishnamurti Issue #1 free | |
can you elaborate? |
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