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Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Nov 2012
Topic: Escape and Desire

Ravi Seth wrote: What / who is the perpetuator of all addictions?

The fragment wanting some fun.

Ravi Seth wrote: incorrect.you are simply replying from memory.

'incorrect' too came from memory.

Ravi Seth wrote: clue : there can be non-addiction even with presence of thought.

The 'filter' has to be new.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Nov 2012
Topic: Escape and Desire

Eve G. wrote: Is there addiction without thought?

Thoughts promising self satisfaction.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 28 Nov 2012
Topic: Escape and Desire

Dean R. Smith wrote: Just watch thought.

good suggestion when one has nothing better to do.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: What is action...in relationship to suffering?

Reactive struggle of a fragment.

Eve G. wrote: ...what is non-action in relationship to suffering?

Abandon such questions.:)

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: If one does not understand the whole process of ignorance, and merely makes an effort to get rid of it, thought is still acting within the circle of ignorance. Krishnamurti Quote of the Day | Nov 29, 2012

Are 'One' and 'thought' used here as synonyms?

How are thought and ignorance related?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Satya Prakash wrote:

Abandon such questions.:)

Why is that, can't you say what it is not?

Both what it is and what it is not sustain fragmentation equally well.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Satya Prakash wrote:

Reactive struggle of a fragment.

Yes it is, can you explain?

Yes and no.:)

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: If 'thinking' and knowledge are the same, which I am not sure they are, they may both be at the shadow of ignorance?

What is ignorance ?

Eve G. wrote: Since knowledge is limitless or can never be complete?

Limitless?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: yes first

The fragment must feel secure. In this impossible goal is the seed of its suffering.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: In the sense that we always know more and more it is not finite?

Always want to know...the urge is infinite?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: and none action also sustain fragmentation equally well?

'none-action' is not the same as 'non-action', is it? :)

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: I would pick understanding or aware?

Not aware of or understanding what?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: ....isn't the need to know more and more part of curiosity not necessarily desire as WANT more?

For self continuation of pleasure and avoidance of pain are all important issues, no?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Satya Prakash wrote:

Both what it is and what it is not sustain fragmentation equally well.

Please explain what you mean.

The description of what it is and what it is not come from the same fragmented field of mind.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Satya Prakash wrote:

Not aware of or understanding what?

Itself?

What is it does not understand about itself and stays ignorant?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Continuation period, its existence depends on it...since pleasure and pain are inevitable?

?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: for communications purposes we need words,

Even in psychological matters?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Satya Prakash wrote:

What is it does not understand about itself and stays ignorant?

I don't know.

Why are we not in tune with universal order?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Satya Prakash wrote:

Even in psychological matters?

As long as we are not stuck with the word?

Technical communication brings desired results by solving problems. Communication about one's suffering with oneself or another, will it end the disturbance of suffering or prolong it?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Because the self blocks it?

Why and how does self block the universal order?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: because we are a fragment?

Who says so?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: It can not relate to it, one is known and the other is not made of the same stuff? One has to end for the other to be, and the self is not interested in ending? Fear of letting go of the known?

Is the above reply coming from self or the universal order is explaining?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Satya Prakash wrote:

Who says so?

Self?

And what is the source of such a statement by self?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: I don't know. It simply makes sense that it is so...

So, it is coming from self, but secondhand knowledge won't do any good except satisfying the self. Sorry.:)

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Experience knowledge?

My reply # 52 stands for this too.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Self is capable of being aware of its own fragmentation through experimentation?

To you, what is insight K has mentioned in his talks so often?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Insight is an instant understanding an ahhh moment when you understand things instantly. A direct perception. I have ' understood' some things about the self in that way during K talks.

Is insight understanding about something (self) or is it an activity of the mind?

What exactly happened when you 'understood' something about self? Why couldn't you understand it before the 'insight'?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 29 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Ravi Seth wrote: There is no ahhh moment in insight.

When once insight is in operation...Ahhh.:)

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 30 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: Yes. But 'insight' is out of time, so a past insight as part of experience is no longer an insight is it?

Insight is not cause-effect bound phenomenon. One can not make any effort to have it. There is no question of losing it once it is operating as brain cells have fundamentally changed.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 30 Nov 2012
Topic: Action, non-action and suffering

Eve G. wrote: What is clear is, that any action by conciseness or reaction of conciseness on itself perpetuated suffering.

Why is this so? Why do different actions still produce the same result (perpetuating suffering)?

How are you using clear here...Clear as it is clear to a person (who has burnt his hand) that flame burns and will never repeat the mistake?