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Forum: General Discussion Fri, 02 Sep 2011
Topic: Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong

Paul Davidson wrote: Human consciousness is, of course, limited by its position in the universe.

Does this implie that this limitation is due to the contents of the consciousness?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 02 Sep 2011
Topic: Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong

Paul Davidson wrote: A continuum eats its own tail.

Is this same as the time and thought begin and end?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 02 Sep 2011
Topic: Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong

Thanks for the clarification.I shall get back to you after some time.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 02 Sep 2011
Topic: Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong

Paul Davidson wrote: How could there be a continuum between movement and stillness? Please give an example if you can think of one.

I am just trying to undestand,in the process I am constructing an example.

Original state is that :I AM.

A organic body gets life with consciousness related to its body structure.However consciousness is same to all.But the the living thing with organic body is unable to stay with the original state "I AM".It has to swing from that state to a state," I am...(say)X." otherwise the organic body with life does not get its functioning correct.Whatever it may do with thought and time, as far as with the original state is concened it is in confusion.It swigs between both states.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 09 Sep 2011
Topic: Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong

Paul Davidson wrote:

>Now, we can look at thought/time. Is it a continuum?

I was originally trying to see if continuem is something similar to time and thought coming to end when particular mind coming to end when the self gets disolved.I undestand from your reply that that may not possible.Thanks.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 10 Sep 2011
Topic: PRIDE AND VANITY

Paul Davidson wrote: I wonder how people see pride and how they see vanity? Which is more dangerous, more intractible, more serious as an obstacle to self-knowledge?

Let alone self-knowldge,will pride and vanity allow the individual a free moment of interaction with people?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 10 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

Indeed Gandhi had most subtle form of desire to dominate the procedings of his time,fortunatly it was the need of the hour to challenge the ruling class,which he did it with great forsight.He needed enrgey which he got it from his ideal "the non-violence".What is really remarkable about his ideal is that, it was the driving force which helped him hold his ground in politics,yet that same ideal showed its charecteristic nature of illusion by ending his mission of non-violence in utter violence,infact killing the hero.

We are again at such a threshold , where we may be forced to taste the consequences of another ideal bursting into illusion;we are trying to solve the problem of corruption at political level, without focusing the corruption at individual level.It could be another, a first class illusion.

Posting is not againest the removale of corruption

JK never entertained an illusion,inspite of knowing quite well that one such an ideal could only give him the drive to become prominet among the masses,what ever be the later consequence. That is the deference beteen them.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 11 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

Muad dheeb wrote: K says : that is not good enough as it is partial so wrong. I get his point ,but can one stay under the violence of a totalitarian invader ?

The answer to the first part of your quote is:The mission was never completed ,even today.It is half done because he had just projected the problem, and mobilised people and focused on their partisipation .His ideal turned out to be an illusion.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 11 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

What is interesting to observe is that most people do not see that the practice of non-violence as an ideal, which would turn out be an illusion at end, often resulting in pain and conflict.Most people still see his(Gandhi's) non-violence and satyagrah as most effective political weapons.Best used to blackmail the opponets.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 11 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

On contrast JK's understanding of non-violence is never taken notice of.Even if one trys to explain,it is not never understood by the people.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Energy, Emptiness, the Universal and Beyond

The energy and emptiness go together is something really hard to realise.At superfisail level,we know that any emotion that comes out of the individual is due to some enrgy,and thinking needs energy.When the thought comes to stillness (rather it is emptied from the mind),that emptiness is energy,is something hard to realise .We could perhaps realise it only when our mind becomes still.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

Paul Davidson wrote: People have been caught between two wrong perceptions, one being the idea of right violence and the other of non-violence. But when see from the outside they are both aspects of the one wrong process called 'acting from ignorance.'

Dear Paul Davidson,

No body likes to show their ignorance,but most willingly hide it behind duality.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

Both Gandhi and JK are well noticed in history.The well groomed world teacher(religious) is now in the minds of intelectuals of the world,hardly a commener knows about him. On other hand Gandhi is known among the public for his political straturges with religious ideas(such as non-violence and satyagrha),which most political leaders misuse them.The actual true religious learnings are ignored.If we really admit duality, then after all ,the Shankara was right when he said the world is false.(I have used only part of what he said, next part is: world is not separate from the pure consciousness).

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

The essence of what Shankara said ,is: The world is an illusion. However it is not separate from the pure consciousness.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

Dear Muad dheed,

Isn"t your posting confirm that we do live in an illusion (make believe) world.The question is how are we going to make it real.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Gandhiji and K...

Paul Davidson wrote: Are, this is the Pinnochio syndrome! That which is a wooden puppet shall one day become a real boy.

What a subtle way of chiding.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Sense And Sensibility

Our emotions and feelings are dependent on the senses.They can be expireinced in their pure form if thought does not springs up from somewhere and conect it to something else that is stored in the memory.The active mind of ours is always promted by the second mind(fragmented mind) which is a pure tool of the memory(self).It so hapens at times that inspite of seeing a thing afresh, the reporting about it is always an old record.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Sep 2011
Topic: Economic Crisis

A fine posting Mr.Pual Davidson.Infact it is not ease to respond to the posting without reacting emotionaly.It is to react to present day economics,all our interest is put into it.

My personal feeling is that ,if economic activity is only to be seen to generate wealth, we are telling ourselves that this economic world is for only few and not for every body, say a portion of total earth population (Resourses/Population number).Do we,both of us belong to that lucky portion of the earths population?

If people see the economic activity as living process then it is entirely a deferent matter,otherwise we are to be deleted from the economic world?(we can restart the deleted topic, "Deleted").Perhaps they would ask us to go to JK's world.Are we ready for it?Sorry the emotions could not be held.So ,for the discussion to start has taken so many days.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 13 Sep 2011
Topic: Truth, Reality and Actuality

I am constructing an example to unerstand the words under discussion.

I have asked a friend to come to my house for a discussion on something urgent.He was to come on a car,and I was to pick him up from the main road which is one way and a bussisy one.At appointed time I was on main road at agreed spot.To the much of confussion, a car past me without stoping where I am suppose to stand. Turned back and the car is raceing. I know that was my friend's car.I left the place in disguest.The friend was equally disguest that I was not there at the spot, which he took it as a delibrat on my part. I took his mising me on the spot as purposefull.It appears that he returned back after covering the large distance due to the one way trafic.We were to discuss a issue which was an emotional issue.

What is the reality,actuality, and the truth in this posting?

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 13 Sep 2011
Topic: Truth, Reality and Actuality

Paul Davidson wrote: The unknown should always be allowed for in each event. "Always expect the unexpected!" (I cannot recall if this is a quote from 'Sherlock Holmes' or 'Inspector Clouseau')

Dear Paul Davidson,

It is news to me that this posting is a quote from the above references.we shall acknowldge the same if it is so.I have no information.

Paul Davidson wrote: But, if we pay attention, we can limit the law of accidents to unavoidable things. It must be a combination of self-knowledge and worldly wisdom. We need both things to avaoid the avoidable in this world.

This is what I was trying to get at:paying attention to the actual hapenings in the present,I was grapling with the words Trueth, Actuality, and reality .I was thinking of some constuct,trying to make out the same.

The fact:1)both the friends were Emotionally involved in some incident,and disturbed.2)both wanted to settle things in their own way, which they themselves were not sure.

The actuals: 1)both made effort to meet with a doubt.2)both hurt each other,3) both were victums of 'law of accident'

The reality:1)both were emotinally involved in the issue,2) both had a doubt abovt their meeting's out come.

Could they have payed attention to their senate feelings?Perhaps they could have saved the trouble of hurting each ther.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 14 Sep 2011
Topic: Sense And Sensibility

Paul Davidson wrote: This reminds me of Marx's maxim about the organic composition of capital, that the accumulated dead capital (machines, factories, banks, materials) outweighs the living labour. And as it does so the worker becomes an appendage of the machine. The tool becomes the master. Is not this equally true of thought?

This reminds me that the thought is also matter.The thought is such a subtle form of matter that our mind does not recognise it as such, and give undue importance to it.Ofcourse the mind has no othre than the thought as its tool,to run through the consciousness.The senses make the thought project itself as the master.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Sense And Sensibility

Mr,Paul Davidson,

I wonder if the mind could be free of the sences.It may be able to understand its nature and that it is cable of converting the the self from the pointer to the master of the entire being which has momenet to moment existance.It is the awereness alone which helps(not out of seeking).

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Sense And Sensibility

I do not think that senses are sole spoilers of the understanding or creators of false notions in the mind.The pointer which is supose to help the process of the being , later to indicate its status from mement to moment just as a carzer on the computer monitor, assuming the master's role, due to the senses drive which are further accelarated by the powerfull sensations. Unless there is clear undestaning of the nature and role of these two ,the pointer can always slip into master's role.There has to be a complete attention on these two.It is the most difficult thing to do as we could get their glimse only through the reactions,which are thoughts.It is only the thought which is a product of the senses and sensations.A lot of meditation has to be done to get the trueth or undestanding.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong

Duality is not wrong.

Does it mean it is true?

And could it not give contridictory results?

There is pleasure in following it, most of the markets thrive on it.It is full of pit falls where our interests are at stake. Following it most dull minds can sudenly become very active.Every thing is happy, till duality throws up a false.Hence the suffering.One needs to understand its nature.Out of it a dualist expects a joy.If the understaning is real understanding then dualist is in for unexpected.It could as well be a non-duality.one always must expect the most unexpected.That is the power of true undestanding.It is enough if dualist undestands himself.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Relationship Between Conditioned and Unconditioned Mind

When I see things and interact with nature I interact out of the condition of my mind, then it is a reaction based on the past recording of the brain. There is hardly a chance of relationship with the unconitioned mind.

When the mind is unconditioned,it would be purely out of the perception and observetion,then there would be an action which would not be a reaction as in the case of conditioned mind.The past has no role to play except where it is necessary.It could be sensitive to other conditioned minds,unlike the response of a conditioned mind, which would be a reaction alone.How would a conditioned mind react in the presence of sound unconditioned mind?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Sense And Sensibility

ganesan balachandran wrote: he my people is Indra.

Yes, sir. It is vedic.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Sense And Sensibility

Paul Davidson wrote: That wa sa very clear metaphor, K. The senses can be pointers to the world or they can become its creators, unfortunately. A world created by the senses is, ultimately a desolate place driven by pain and pleasure.

Indeed the senses and sensetions creat the a world of pleasure and pain, If they are understood to their true nature then there would no problem.

The proble is with understanding itself.If the undestanding is really no undestanding,then the thought process that comes out of these sensations is strong, and the individual looses his sensitvity to realise the falseness in the thought.That is enouhg for the self to get stuck with reactions and live in the world of pleasure, the world of pain shall break in due course.How best can we be sensitive to the thought that comes out?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Physical Body

dhirendra singh wrote: My story, my ego, is related to this body, this is my world.

Mr.Dhirendra Singh,

It sounds as if your consciousness is just the body consciousness. I undestand that such a restiction leads to only world of materails.I know you have not talked about consciousness.Intelectually we do extending our feild of undestanding beyound the body consciousness, otherwise we look like nothing.The whole of this world ,it is run on the body senses and the sensations, and rections.Do we get best out this,which would not be a compramise,an adjustment, a denail,and condemmation?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Physical Body

For those of us who have yet to see the end of time and thought before the body looses its life, the physical death is really pathatic.Sorry,Mr.Dhirendra Sing.I really regrat.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 15 Sep 2011
Topic: Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong

Ravi Seth wrote: Bow before him who sees Saguna Brahman an Nirguna Brahman as one.

That is really a tough job.