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Forum: General Discussion Thu, 09 Dec 2010
Topic: How Long Do We Deny Our Self-Deception?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: And are the teachings an escape from mundane realities or is mundane reality an escape from the teachings?

well said!!

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 15 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

idiot ? wrote: There are certain actions that K took that I also take and consider very important:

Eat vegetarian.

'k' used to eat eggs

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 15 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

ganesan balachandran wrote: what is the source of information about this? However my question is what will those people do where there is not much vegetation? gb

I will find the link and let you know.My information is correct.You can see in the 'k' schools eggs are provided to children.

Thinking aloud, even when I was not in contact with the teachings,I saw it is not the question of being a vegetarian or non - vegetarian.We human beings who are vegetarian also kill plants and the plants also have life in them.One therefore must see that one preferably eats only that which is less evolved.Plants are less evolved than the animals.When there is a choice between animals and plants one should eat plants instead of animals.Simple logic and mmmmm ... may be not correct... well i don't know for sure!... lion kills other animals and eat it too and it is not considered as violence......... well i am really confused... the nature brings disasters like tsunami,earth quake , floods etc.... the cruelty of which kills millions. Is man exactly in the image of nature?

or is it not about the violence inside us which makes us do that.. the killing... for taste ... and for so called nutrition value..our own selfishness and then we form that habit and go on and on and when someone questions we either try to justify or do not listen at all.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 15 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

ganesan balachandran wrote: Natural disasters have got link with emotions. Tao of Physics dealt with that i think.That time when tsunami occurred certain section of the people on whole were emotionally disturbed. gb

forget abt tao of physics ( any way i found it too boring) Do you say since many a people were emotionally disturbed in certain regions, those very regions were the ones where tsunami occurred?

and if yes, could you kindly enumerate and elaborate your thinking ?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 17 Dec 2010
Topic: Actions by Krishnamurti As Teachings

ganesan balachandran wrote: Do you feel some specialists fields also need to be questioned, though need not be taken as authority. gb

In case you are interested to have some scientific base ( because i believe you are an engineer like i am and would not accept something having no real scientific base) which indicates to whatever we all have been discussing ,pl read the following:

1.Crucible of Consciousness by Zoltan Torey

2.The Feeling of what happens-Body and Emotion in making of Consciousness by Antonio Damasio

3.Go to wiki page , 'Karl H. Pribram' and read the hologram theory and the links there

4.Read Bohm & all of his books and also http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html

After reading it you will find how true 'k' was despite having no scientific background and how truly & logically he dissected the human mind! It is really a wonder!

All the above have been authenticated by reputed institutes except there is still controversy in accepting Bohm's and Pribram theories as they have yet not been demonstrated physically but the science doesn't have any other explanation till date which encompasses the whole compared to what Bohm and Pribram have logically given.Zoltan however proves with all the scientific data that 'I' does not exists at all but is only an outcome of evolution which gave Humans a highly evolved tool i.e. language which the animals do not have and 'I', what we feel is just a mirage.It is really very interesting!

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 27 Dec 2010
Topic: sorrow

anand ramagoud wrote: Is there a division in sorrow ?

division is sorrow

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 27 Dec 2010
Topic: sorrow

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Can sorrow exist by itself? Does it not exist in relation to something?

Definitely it exists in relation to something and division means two.... separateness!!.... me and my sorrow... without division sorrow isn't there.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 27 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: When she, the ultimate Shakti, of her own will (svecchaya)

To all

This is from , "Yogini Hridaya".It is Yogini Tantra - kind of description in hindu scriptures of the universe expressing Advaita ( oneness) and is just part of knowledge as all other scriptures are.

Sunyata is just cut & paste this from wiki even without explaining why is she done this.She is just making it mystical for nothing.The reply by Emma above is a correct reply to deal with such kind of uttering as remarked by 'k', however profound they may appear to be but in fact are just a way of self to gain attention and in the process getting strengthened.

By stating the obvious i should not be seen as disrespectful to the scriptures but without understanding them, i hold, i can neither quote nor comment on these and in case even if i have done this in past , i apologize.

I feel we have the greatest live scripture , live advaita in front of us, the 'teachings'.Digressing from these is waste of time.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 27 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: When one follows a "logical" sequence, and come across a "fork", how one resolves the "fork"?

There is never a fork in the logical sequence.Logic is to resolve the fork.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 28 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: But you can understand what is going on in your "neighborhood". What are you doing about it? Can you "Clean" it up?

My dear Sunyata

I accept I cannot do anything for nuts about what is going on near me, in my state called 'Haryana' but can only do something about myself .You being an enlightened person can do something may be not in my state but at least in your state i.e. Andhra Pardesh.Below is a list of scams / scandals in your state Andhra Pardesh for you to clean up.

Scams in the state where sunayata lives

sarasadevi & DIPEP scam, passports & human trafficking scam , Kodela Siva Prasada Rao involved in endowments land scam , Gowru venkat reddy Scam , Endowments land scam , krishna yadav and telgi scam , Satyam scandal , costal corridor scam, sports village, in gachibowli , velugubanti Surya Narayana Fisheries scandal , Corruption in Upadhi hami pathakam , Paniki aharam padakam , Krishi Bank Fraud , Corruption in Rajiv Arogyasri scheme , Iron ore mines Obulapuram mines in anatapur dt scandal , Indiramma Illu , grabing of temple lands , wakfat board property , sand scam JC diwakar rao , bhimrao bada - firing slum dogs from their homes , Murder of Paritala Ravindhra , Aluminium diggings from Araku Valley , Diverting Iron ore from Vishaka to Private Steel Factories , Destroying Noble Hills in vizag and making real estate buiness , Maytas Metro Rail Project , Charminar Bank Fraud , THE VANPIC link , POWER FRAUD Y S Jagan , WAQF LAND SOLD ILLEGALLY , SAKSHI: INVESTMENTS AND REWARDS , Raghu Ram Cements , Sripada Sagar irrigation project , Heritage Scam , Diveting SC, ST Funds to other schemes , Releasing Criminals from Jailson the occasion of Independence day , Murder of 250 TDP workers , Murder of Moddhu Seenu in jail , Prostitution in Devotional Places , passport & Human Trafficking , Sale of Govt Lands , maytas Frauds, IMG Bharata , Stationary , margaDarsi , Donations from Satyam , Wolkswagon Scam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I did not want to wash the dirty linen in public forum like this but i cannot help but point out only.With all apologies to the readers of this forum that the topic is not relevant to the issue in hand i.e. 'k' teachings and it would obviously look childish.Either i can ignore Sunyata's statement above or give a befitting reply. I choose the latter, for that I hope you will pardon me because this is not a reaction to tell sunayata that my shirt is cleaner than hers but to enlighten sunayata that corruption / darkness is everywhere and we all are responsible)

sunyata sunyata wrote: You actually don't understand a bit about that statement. In this case you found a reference, therefore you want to go after that (a childish behavior).

I understood completely the statement , even before you made it,because i had all ready gone through "Yogini Hridaya" in my youth but was only surprised how well you translated the scripture since there , to my mind , existed no translation of this scripture in any foreign language till date.I searched the net, as you very well point out and found it in wikki.But when you made the statement you implied very much ( with the kind-of-airs around you) that you were claiming authorship of that statement and that too not even intellectually but as if you are living it!!!!! This is called pontification.

sunyata sunyata wrote: What is happening is "very good". We have to "clean our system" so that we can say "our house" is clean. Is not it? A country/an idividual can't not claim "clean" when there is so much "corruption" going on "within" and around them (and pretending they are very religious doing all kinds of rituals to all kinds of "God"/Gurus day in and day out).

....................... and the above is called REACTION...... which satires .......... may be on itself!!!! We all are living in glass houses, dear Sunayata.Even intellectually understanding "Yogini Hridaya" or for that matter 'k' wouldn't make my house clean.

sunyata sunyata wrote: "God" will reappear as "Kalki" (reference ??) in your "system" to clean "things up"

I don't want to say anything about 'kalki' neither need any refernece for the same since 'kalki' for me is all ready appeared in the name and body of 'k' - Lord Maitreya in the village called 'shambala' "in your" Andhra Pardesh.( and you very well know why & where 'kalki' appears!!)

.... and sorry, i may have been mistaken, was 'shambala' , shri ambala ( sh. ambala)??!!!! :-)

(((H)))

ravi seth

from

sh ambala

haryana

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 28 Dec 2010
Topic: sorrow

anand ramagoud wrote: Sir, life is relationship, its not possible to live in isolation. when there is no division between me & sorrow does it not men that I am sorrow ?

where is sorrow then? sorrow is no where,but in division sorrow is.... naming is sorrow.... naming is moment away from what is...it is division. Whatever that state before naming is , it is not sorrow since sorrow is naming...the thought.. which comes after the shock.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 29 Dec 2010
Topic: sorrow

anand ramagoud wrote: Sir, as we understand thought is divisive, the moment thought enters there is resistance & we try various ways to escape from it. What I am stating is that, one is in a state of complete shock in the death of a loved one, isn't it sir ? At this point there is no seperation, no movement of escape from sorrow, you are it, which is what love is, which means, sorrow has in it no quality of division. The division comes later when thought enters.

I am paraphrasing your statement.Kindly see if it is same or not.If not, kindly elaborate why?

Sir, as we understand thought is divisive, the moment thought enters it is an escape. What I am stating is that, one is in a state of complete shock in the death of a loved one, isn't it sir ? At this point there is no seperation, no movement of escape from shock, you are it which means, shock has in it no quality of division. The division comes later when thought enters.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 29 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: First things first. I am not an "enlightened" person. As I said earlier, I try to "clean " my house and the "Teachings" have helped me to understand who "I am" and what is that "I am after". Once I realized that "I am not after any thing (material wise), then I started looking "elsewhere" wearing the "shoes" made by the "skin" of once living "being and fully knowing that I may step on small beings while I walk

since you unknowingly walked on us - the small beings, O Sunayata, we are in pain, please have mercy upon us, either take us along with affection or finish your walk.

sunyata sunyata wrote: "Kalki" will appear first (as you said) in "Andhra Pradesh" to take care of minor things before he quickly moves "North ward" and reaches "Hastina"(Delhi), "Kauravas" "capital (before the war)" that's where the "epi center" of "Global corruption and "anarchy" is flourishing to the nth degree as of today" which is much more dangerous than "terrorism" we face from neighboring countries. He (Kalki) will establish "Dharma" in all four corners of "your land" ("K" being only one man fighting the system could not accomplish what he wanted to do) but the divine form of "Kalki" has all the "weapons" to deal with the situation (He will get "help" from "great nations" who are "just" and "striving" for "perfection"). "K" is also from "Andhra Pradesh" and I went to school near where he was born and raised. Remember that "Adi Shankara did the same thing when there was "anarchy" in terms of "religion" thousand years ago (appox)! Remember this, no one can "fool the world" There are intelligent people living elsewherre in the world who can discern the "facts" in your "country"

I am waiting for the next kalki and did rightly saw kalki will take avatar in Andhra after the great shankra and 'k' having done that.Yes you are right.I sincerely see those qualities of kalki in you, Sunayata. Riding on your white horse raise your sword and slay the demons who are slur on the name of this society.I am with you.... your foot soldier.

sunyata sunyata wrote: Tata's founder recentely said that a minister asked him "bribe" for Tata to open an airlines company(some thing like that) and he said that it has to change for the country to move forward with "clean"!

Yes TATA is another kalki born in Maharashtra who with Nira Radia's help will clean India in one go.Yes I agree.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 29 Dec 2010
Topic: sorrow

anand ramagoud wrote: Sir, I think I will refer this to the third empire. And here it is

Krishnamurti: When there is no movement of escape from sorrow then love is. Passion is the flame of sorrow and that flame can only be awakened when there is no escape, no resistance. Which means what? - Which means, sorrow has in it no quality of division.

when you have all the answers respected Anand Ramagoud ji Maharaj, why to make us scratch our head for the answer?

I have all ready a center in the name and body of this man called ravi seth and do not want to load it with another center ( as if one was not enough) with the name of 'k'.

Read 'k' between the lines and not verbatim dear Ramagoud and you will not need any 'k' for umpiring, not that i be seen as disrespectful to the great man.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 30 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: Your request is granted! We have a very good handle of the "scams" you pointed out and the TV media in our state is very "aggressive" to expose the "scams" day in and day out (You know we exposed an 83 year old Governer named "Tiwari" from North and a "Guru" from South both involving in "compromising situations". I heard the central ministers (secretaries) are afraid to come to "Hyderabad". The system here is so advanced that it is comparable to any advanced society in the world.

I want to you (as an aide to Kalki) to come up with a database of scams in your "neighborhood" and publish out in the "open" so that we can aid "Kalki" to take appropriate actions.

Waiting for your publication!

Thanks, Soni, for heeding to my request.

We from the north can't help since our physical health is like that of "Tiwaries" you know.Tiwari is just sweet 83. In Tiwari's ancestral village there is Baba who is 122 years old and exactly in "Tiwari's" kind of health and spirits.( and there are many + 90 like this here )For you people they are 'compromising situations' but for us these are just situations ordinary, daily, & normal happenings as you eat, breath, take bath go to market etc. etc.

As an aid to Kalki I cannot publish that which you think are scams relating to this physical body's needs since this is a way of life for us all here and actually is and it is completely natural for us to maintain the body in excellent state .NO conflict nowhere.Really , Cross my heart I swear .

The rest of scams are unknown here therefore what shall i publish, my dear Soni?

kindly enlighten.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 01 Jan 2011
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: You can discuss this with your 122 year old "Baba" and tell us the "Right" thing to do!

my dearest Soni,

Just back from discussions with Baba.He says," Invite soni to this place and show her the actual state of affairs here.Only then she will understand the difference between AP & Haryana or for that matter Uttaranchal.How can one compare narka ( AP) with sawarga( Haryana or Uttara) ."

Therefore i invite you to visit "jalna", a place 23 kms from Almora where a new 'k' retreat is going to come up.Situated on a hill top , look at the majestic snow laden Himalayan peaks from Nepal in east till Pakistan in north west.Smell the perfume of Devdar forests.Drink the juice of palash the himalayan flower.Walk with the tigers as if they were your pets.

I am now in this heaven standing all alone at the edge of river Yamuna.There are rushing waves, mountains of molecules, each stupidly minding its own business , trillions apart yet forming white surf in unison.Deep in the river all molecules repeat the patterns of one another till complex ones are formed.They make others like themselves and a new dance starts again.

Out of the cradle onto dry land, here I am standing, atoms with consciousness, matter with curiosity, stands at the river, wonders at wondering,I, a universe of atoms an atom in the universe.

with love & regards

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 01 Jan 2011
Topic: sorrow

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: That appears to be what K was saying

'k' said:

"first the individual mind dies .Then only, the universal mind manifests.Universal mind, which is but the entire cosmos.Then the universal also dies.Only the energy is there... the pure energy which rises from the "Ground" which is the absolute... that is the cause of all causes or its own cause and to which everything arises and dies into"

despite 'k' forbade, i am saying the teachings from my memory and shouldn't be taken exactly as 'k' said... but this is the gist of ending of time - 1st ,2nd 3rd chapter to my mind.

.....and i wonder 'k' who never said anything like this in his entire life made the 'Ground' somewhat concrete by saying so !!!!!!!!!!!!!Why did he do so? I know no answers.Also in this dialog with Bohm , when Bohm asks him why is there not anything after the Ground he emphatically says "No" there is none after , and when Bohm asks why not none after he replies simply that " I know" ........and full stop.A man who throughout his life with great logic explained everything said in the end simply that he "knows", meaning not to question this.

This , I have not been able to resolve till now.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 01 Jan 2011
Topic: *

Patricia Hemingway wrote: I am not sure where this vain belief of 'instant blissful enlightenment' comes from in anyone who has read K

He does give this impression not in his early dialogs but also in later ones too when he takes the listener till a certain point logically and then, it seems, he takes a jump... to that he also calls logical but the listener cannot make head and tail of that jump.It appears though 'k' didn't say something like an instant blissful enlightenment but it appeared that way to many.Many a times he says it is not a must that you have to pass through the same process to see that ( giving Edison's inventions for example ) and since it has been seen he tries step by step to show to the other to "see" as if there wasn't anything tedious or great in seeing that. ... well i am sure he did not talk abt 'instant blissful enlightenment' but he did make it appear like that provided the listener actually walked with him in the discussions through all the necessary steps he was explaining leading to the 'truth'. It is a different matter that we could not listen to him with that intensity or clarity and like an ass agreed to whatever he said...or may be ... well i don't know what to say abt it.....

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 02 Jan 2011
Topic: sorrow

sunil jain wrote: Instead of showing me a way to end sorrow, can you tell me the single most important reason that stops/hinders my staying with sorrow? What actually had changed in you that made staying with sorrow possible for you?

Most probable answers to your questions from the point of view of an enlightened person :

answer to your first question:can you tell me the single most important reason that stops/hinders my staying with sorrow?

Pain was the reason which hindered my staying with sorrow, since I mistook inner as outer

answer to your second question:What actually had changed in you that made staying with sorrow possible for you?

Insight changed that.It showed as long as I mistook inner as outer, pain will be there similar to i putting my hand in fire and withdrawing immediately.

Overall scenario: Inner is not outer.Knowing it actually frees you from sorrow which is but an illusion..... ...... meaning never to have sorrow again in your life ever.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 02 Jan 2011
Topic: *

nick carter wrote: Are you speaking from experience? Is the reader to assume that you've undergone "the process" and that you are enlightened?

Nick

Patricia may not have undergone or gone, but her reply does seem logical and true.You cannot reject that outrightly and tell her STFU.

What else, we, who are i believe are on this side of the river's bank have, except logic as tool to investigate?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 02 Jan 2011
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: By the way how is the "drug use" in Ambala cantt (Kalki is making his way in to your area!)?

Who is kalki to catch when he himself has made me into a drug peddler and its user?

My dear soni,

Tumhein dillagi bhool jani pare gi,

Mohabbat ki raahon mein aa kar to dekho

Tarapne pe mere na phir tum hanso ge

Kabhi dil kisi se laga kar to dekho

Wafaon ki humse tawaqqo nahin hai

Mager ek baar azmaa kar to dekho

Zamane ko apna bana kar to dekho

Humein bhi tum apna bana kar to dekho

Dil laga kar pata chale ga tumhein

Aashiqui dillagi nahin hoti

Kuch khel nahin ishq ki laag,

Paani na samajh yeh aag hai aag

Khoon rulaye gi yeh lagi dil ki

Khel samjho na dillagi dil ki

Yeh ishq nahin asaan, bas itna samajh li jiye

Ek aag ka daryaa hai aur doob ke jana hai

Welcome to this stupid man's abode in the most silliest of all the towns called Ambala Cantt and enjoy the wine of love - the only thing which this drug addict can offer!!

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 03 Jan 2011
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: The founder of Microsoft (Bill Gates) once said

Yes I agree.Bill Gate must have said that.Yes, he requires cheap labor to exploit.He will say it since he has seen how Chinese totalitarian regime has come on top by state sponsored dacoity be that of its populace hard work, living conditions or world's intellectual property ( patents).What better place can he get than A.P. & the spokesperson like my dear Soni who eulogies him for all his cunningness, deception, sly, craft which is delicately pleasing.Oh, why did i ever consider you, Soni, having some grey matter on your top?

By the way what are you doing in this 'k' forum since 'k', my kalki said he abhored dying rich.

It is a place which will take away everything you posses, dear Soni, since it only teaches 2 1/2 akshri vidya and not financial jugglery.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 04 Jan 2011
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: When one's mind is "purverted" and undermines the other human being's innocence, then the "Kundalini" exhibits its "dance"

........ and the "perverted mind" enjoys that dance too!:-)

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 05 Jan 2011
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

sunyata sunyata wrote: We "Love" You (that was the essence of your poem)!

......I am relieved.

sunyata sunyata wrote: You can not have "preconceived notion" about other human being. You should learn to love the other person irrespective of his origin (Our Rishis call it as "unconditional Love").

From now on I wouldn't have any notion and learn.

sunyata sunyata wrote: Hindu Religion is much more deep (than "K" put together for western audiance) than the "Teachings"

Yes, agreed, hindu religion has dived more deep into the ocean of "teachings".

sunyata sunyata wrote: Our daily "living" support "my claim"

agreed.we look after the body , the physical( like tiwaries) more than anything else.

sunyata sunyata wrote: You should take a bath in "Ganges" near "Banaras"

......I took.I am now as pure as the water of Ganges where sewer of Banaras meets Ganges.

sunyata sunyata wrote: We all like "K" and his "Teachings"

It is obvious.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 06 Jan 2011
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Patricia Hemingway wrote: K challenged the game. Now the game can no longer be taken seriously.

Well said.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 06 Jan 2011
Topic: Love and Transformation

nick carter wrote: Can anyone really know anything about "seeing", as you put it? If "I", the knower, am not present when seeing is, who or what knows anything about it? Who or what is in any position to talk about it knowingly?

Seeing has nothing to say about seeing. It just sees, and knowing does all the talking

Therefore the knower knows about the seeing and talks about it.Is it nick?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 07 Jan 2011
Topic: Love and Transformation

nick carter wrote: nick carter wrote: Can anyone really know anything about "seeing", as you put it? If "I", the knower, am not present when seeing is, who or what knows anything about it? Who or what is in any position to talk about it knowingly? Seeing has nothing to say about seeing. It just sees, and knowing does all the talking

Ravi Seth wrote: Therefore the knower knows about the seeing and talks about it.Is it nick?

nick carter wrote: I don't know. Ask the doctor.

Dr. Sudhir,

Any comments?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 07 Jan 2011
Topic: Love and Transformation

Eve Goodmon wrote: kindly explain why both of you differ to the DOCTOR

i take the word 'doctor' as just any other name to indicate the person concerned...absolutely no other meaning than this should be understood.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 07 Jan 2011
Topic: Love and Transformation

....yes, i agree nick should have replied to that and since he didn't, i asked doctor to participate in the discussions between two of us and make matter more clear to me as per nick's comment and I sort of paraphrasing it as per my understanding.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 08 Jan 2011
Topic: Love and Transformation

nick carter wrote: Integrity can't be found in another and emulated, and it can't be found in oneself, so there's nothing to be done.

Is the above an absolute statement of yours, nick?