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Forum: General Discussion Mon, 11 Oct 2010
Topic: Identity, contd.

nick carter wrote: And if it isn't true for Mr. Paul?

Mind is like a "prism" Depending on the content, it reflects! Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 12 Oct 2010
Topic: Identity, contd.

Paul Davidson wrote: when it is emotionally critical of some behaviour in another, it is often because that behaviour is a reflection of that which is in oneself. I suppress it in myself but blame the other for expressing it.

What is sensed here is that mind understood both sides of the "coin". Can it decide which way to "Turn"? and is that the "Right action"? and is there a such a thing as "Right action " or "Wrong action" when one understand the "mind" (ofcourse we have to live and let live) and who decides? and if one decides, who is "he"( is it "I" or "Non-I")?. If it is "Non-I", can it decide other than "feeling" ? Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 13 Oct 2010
Topic: Identity, contd.

Paul Davidson wrote: it divides and it reflects.

The "mind" that divides ruled the world for centuries! Where is it now? and where will it be in few years?

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 13 Oct 2010
Topic: Identity, contd.

David Loucks wrote: Not to take away from the points of discussion being made here but a prism doesn't reflect light it refracts it.

American law! Based on technicality, this case is "closed" Is it?

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 13 Oct 2010
Topic: Identity, contd.

David Loucks wrote: but a prism doesn't reflect light it refracts it.

What is sensed here is that the "mind" is "spiltting" constantly! and does not know what is "cohesive" approach is to the problem? Is it "true"? Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 14 Oct 2010
Topic: Identity, contd.

ganesan balachandran wrote: sunyata sunyata wrote: this case is "closed" Is it? David Loucks wrote: Not to take away from the points of discussion being made here

Further "splitting"

Once one undrstands the fifth chakra, then "Shiva" will give hand to take you "up"

RegardsSunyata

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 15 Oct 2010
Topic: Intelligence and the Divided Mind

Paul Davidson wrote: The mind - the intellect - is satisfied with these innumerable explanations, but intelligence is not, for to understand there must be complete unity of mind and heart in action.

Well said by K and well reported here.

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 15 Oct 2010
Topic: Self-deception

ganesan balachandran wrote: Those who became invincible through sacred heat, who went to the sun through sacred heat, who make sacred heat their glory, let him go away straight to them. gb

What is sensed here is lot of heat in the mind!

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 15 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

max greene wrote: All of the universe is subject to time.

Time is invented by "I" otherwise there is no "Time". As "Albert E.."said "God" does not play with "dice". Universe exists when one opens the eyes. When one closes the "eyes", nothing exists!

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 15 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: it's a different moment and the thought is taking place at that different moment not in the moment of initial sensory perception.

Good Morning!

Sensory perceptions are "illusory"!

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 15 Oct 2010
Topic: Why the picture shows her (assuming it is "she") back?

Why the "kinfonet" site has a picture showing her/his back to the site visitors?

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 16 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Now what's illusory about it?

Sky looks "blue"! (sensory perception!) Is sky blue?

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 19 Oct 2010
Topic: Why the picture shows her (assuming it is "she") back?

ganesan balachandran wrote: She may not be the mirror, but she is we. gb

Sir, This writer did not follow what you are saying (please forgive, this writer is a "stupid" guy one can encounter!). Please explain in simple terms.

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 19 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

max greene wrote: What makes this so difficult is that all of our thinking and activities are centered around time and distance and separation.

max

What is sensed here is that one has "summed"it up!. Time is part of physical structure. Ancient "Rishis" have developed/"herd" in the "Caves of Himalayas" (and not in the caves of "Torabora") techniques to separate "physical" from "eteral" (non-physical). It was not done in one day. It took several thousand years before the "techniques" were perfected and "deployed"

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 21 Oct 2010
Topic: How has Krishnamurti's writings improved your life?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Is there God to play dice? Recommend Kapila/gb, This writer just quoted some one. This writer does not waste time in determining the "existence" or "non-existence" of "God". He is trying to "keep his house clean"!

Regards Sunyata

Forum: Everyday Life Wed, 27 Oct 2010
Topic: Of Trout and Treachery

ganesan balachandran wrote: There may be a connection.. gb

Yes! There is a "force" behind all our actions, a "genetic force" and one can not do any thing about it unless there is a "radical change" in the "Psyche" as pointed by "K". This change can not be brought about by mere "intellectual understanding". It has to felt "deeply" with in such that the "cells" undergo a "mutation"

Regards Sunyata

Forum: Everyday Life Fri, 29 Oct 2010
Topic: Of Trout and Treachery

Paul Davidson wrote: Yes. How is this force felt in your everyday existance, Sunyata? Can you write about a challenge you have faced in this respect?

Dear Paul, It is felt like that the ocean is being churned!. In Hindu "mythology", Devatas (good people) and the demons (bad people) churned the ocean to get "nectar" and finally the devatas got the "nectar".

This writer is going back in time to find the reasons why one is acting one way or other (both father side and mother side). He has not completed this study (the hindus call it as "karma"). What all this writer can say is that "one's', a human being is impritend with "killing" ( 5 or 6 times aday), then it becomes part of human consciousness), then the person will see it as "Right". This kind of thinking should undergo a "mutation".

Regards Sunyata

Forum: Everyday Life Sat, 30 Oct 2010
Topic: Of Trout and Treachery

Paul Davidson wrote: And at the end of it you cannot change the past.

Nobody can change the past, agreed. However, one can "learn" from the past.

sunyata sunyata wrote: What all this writer can say is that "one's', a human being is impritend with "killing" ( 5 or 6 times aday), then it becomes part of human consciousness), then the person will see it as "Right". This kind of thinking should undergo a "mutation

The reason I stated the above is that certain sects of humanity preach the above constantly to its followers. Luckily, this writer belongs to a very old culture where non-violence/truthfullness is a requirement/corner stone for any human/spirtitual advancement (that's how this follower received from the system).

Regards Sunyata

Forum: Everyday Life Mon, 01 Nov 2010
Topic: Of Trout and Treachery

Paul Davidson wrote: There is another side of you that has no past. It has yet to come together. It comes together through the sensitivity of observation in the present, in actual life.

Dear Paul,

There are no two sides of "consciousness". It has "content" (an illusory content) and one has to wipe out (burn) this content for "new" to happen.

As long as one lives in "space and time", one can not bulldoze the past. It's a catch 22 situation. If this writer is not mistaken, K had said that one has to accept "what one is" and try not to bulldoze it or not to ignore it. Just "aware" of it!

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 03 Nov 2010
Topic: Freedom from K

Soham netti wrote: How can I start with a thing which I don't know?

Very simple! "Love is" when "self is not", "K's lingo"

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 16 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Dear friends,

K's message is:

Keep one's house clean and keep the door "open"

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 18 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Well Sunyata, won't we get burgled?

Hi Kapila,

I am a "beggar" to start out with (My bowl is full)!. Only thing another person can "steal from me" is "my begged food" and I will be very happy that the other person is satisfied with his "hunger"! I want to have my "bowl" is empty to receive some thing "new"!

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 18 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Where do we begin?

Dear Kapila,

We should begin at the "bottom":)

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 19 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Paul Davidson wrote: I am supposing that the bottom of the house is the basement. The bottom of a man is his feet. Feet, in symbolic language, implies that which is closest to the ground, the material world. In this sense it means sensation and desire. In stories of old there is the washing of the feet, just as there is the purification of the heart and the straightening out of the thought. There is the taking off of shoes when approaching holy ground or holy places. Do not bring the street into someone's house.

Dear Paul,

That's exactly correct (This writer is blessed with your narration)!

This writer is leaving this forum as of today, knowing that there are "pillars" inplace to support the harmonious existence of one with all beings (at least as long as you and dear George are in the Forum)

This writer will return some time in the future.

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 24 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: And in this observation there is no thought acting on thought.

Sorry , This writer has to be back to answer your query:

How do you observe? Observe implies there is "me" and the "observed(you)"

Is it not? otherwise there is no "observation" (by its definition)

"me" and "you" can be ""one" if there is no "physical diffewrence/distanece", is it not?

Physical distance exists as long as "mind" exists

"Mind" exists as long as "space and time" exists

"Space and Time" exists as long as "Universe" exists

"Observation" exists as long as "Universe" exists

"Me" and "You" are one if "Mind" does not exists!

"Observer is the observed" if "Universe" does not exists

"Universe" does not exists if "Kundalini" opens her "hood"

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 25 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Paul Davidson wrote: Putting one's house in order cannot be done sitting cross-legged on the kitchen floor.

Dear Paul,

It can be done in one's kitchen, It can be done one's living roon, It can be done in one's bed room or it it can be done in "Himalayan caves"!

It is importantant that's one's "heart/mind" is "clean"!

K's messagage as one understand/sensed here is:

One has no opinion about anything, one is "not looking" for anything, one has no knowledge (Vedantam, end of knowledge), One "takes it as it comes", One is "innocent". Having fulfilled all these qualities, one is awaiting the "new"

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 25 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: It is the act of a mirror reflecting a flowing river-the consciousness.

Dear Kapila,

"Sun" is mirrored" in various "Lakes". The "mirror" is the "universe"

Now the question is whether one casn remove this "mirror"?

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 26 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Mina Martini wrote: mina: Yes, consciousness with its contents (which is of course one and the same thing)is the house. To keep it clean here means that nothing is accumulucated in it, nothing at all, so one does live from the content/consciousness. And since an empty mind is not necessarily one with 'the other', it can only be kept empty and the door open (well, the emptiness is the open door too) for the 'other' to come and go as it will.

Extremely "well" said! An "innocent mind" can never be "hurt" (as it does not have a cross reference) and as you said the "other" can go at it at will with out an effect on the "innocent"

A very deep analysis by Mina! Thanks Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 27 Nov 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Paul Davidson wrote: If we are born with innocent minds, how does a child get hurt?

Dear Paul,

First things first. We follow "Dharma" (even though it is 1/4 in this Yuga). We follow Nature (apple falls down and we don't try to move it up) We don't physically abuse another "being" (Every being has same fundamental/inherent right as you and me). What this writer interpreting is that "hurt" is associated with being attacked with one's psychological structure. This structure is an accumulated phenomenon. When the Eagle flies, it does not leave a mark as K said. It implies that one does not register an "experience".

When one does not follow "Dharma", then the child's hurt will become a "Curse" for the one who perpetraded the "Hurt". When the "Hurt" becomes unbearable then "God" will reincarnate to reestablish complete "Dharma" (1 out of 1). Good and bad are always in check. When bad gets more, the "good" starts to re-establish. This is the "LAW OF THE UNIVERSE" and every body is bound by this "LAW".

Regards Sunyata

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 04 Dec 2010
Topic: Krishna Murthy's message

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote: Can intelligence abolish something that is not false?-that is rational thinking & memory? Intelligence can only abolish something false once the falsehood is seen.So intelligence abolishes only psychological thought which is based on an illusory notion of 'you' & 'me'. Memory & thinking used to function in the outer world is never abolished-it's a tool we have to to get about in the world.

Dear Kapila,

Thought is response to "sensory perceptions" which are "illusory" to start out with. Therefore, thought is "illusory". Hence "you" and "me" are "illusory". As some body pointed out in earlier topics, that the "Tree" has "roots" upwards and the "branches" are "downwards". What implied here is that if one wants to go to the root of the "existence", then one realizes that it is "One" without the "Other". It's all "illusory modification" of the "One" and multiplicity" is nothing but "illusion" and has no basis. One also realizes that both "dream" and "reality" (as one percieves it which is a long "dream") are both "illusory" and have no basis in "Reality". The "self" is illusory and the "Self" is "Reality"

Regards Sunyata