Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening
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Forum: Insights Fri, 06 Nov 2009
Topic: What To Do With a Guru

Those who Criticize want to Learn Spiritual Truth - Guru

Forum: Insights Fri, 06 Nov 2009
Topic: The Fallen God Theory


ArchAngel Lucifer proudly re-affirms that he alone is and has always been the creator, owner and God of humanity. Having commited every possible evil action, Lucifer has given up on evil choosing only to do good and hopes that his offspring (humanity) who were granted the attribute of free will might follow suit.

This theme was long ago removed from mainstream religion. The earliest chruch founders could not deal with the fact of a fallen creator, nor could they expect others to follow along with such rethoric and doctrine.

In fact, this became the only logical possibility in making sense of the two most famous words of all time?

?Know Thyself?.

My understanding of the world?s people became greatly expanded and to my surprise this was only the tip of the iceberg!

Perhaps you have never heard of this doctrine from a fallen creator but for me, it opened many doors, cleared many stumbling blocks, old baggage and tabou from my life.

It wasn?t until after my university studies that I begin to see that something is not right with the often times brutal and violent nature of man who has the power in his own hands to do good or to do evil.

I would like to know what you think of this theory because clearly we are dealing with something which is embedded into our emotional life. It is important to at least try and present something in exchange once the vacum of truth is opened.

Nevertheless, this fallen god doctrine is not the one which has functioned up until today. What has functioned are untruths, deceptions, out right lies and manipulation of the world?s people.

CoMdr * LightSpeed *

Forum: Question authority Mon, 07 Dec 2009
Topic: The teachings of Maitreya and Krishnamurti -- a comparison

The teachings of Maitreya and Krishnamurti -- a comparison by Bette Stockbauer

An esoteric comparison of ideas and teachings on silence, inner space, self-awareness, honesty, sincerity and detachment.

A super read!

Self awareness/choiceless awareness

quote: "Awareness is the mother of creation ... Awareness can never be divided, nor imposed ... Awareness can only be experienced." (SI-6/89,6)

http://www.shareintl.org/archives/Krishnamurti/...

Forum: My Favorite Krishnamurti One-Liners Thu, 24 Dec 2009
Topic: Season Greetings to all who see this!

The ending is the beginning, and the beginning is the first step, and the first step is the only step.

j. krishnamurti

Forum: Question authority Thu, 24 Dec 2009
Topic: What factors prevent people from understanding JK?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: But when silence is at the root of my self expression/action, then love is operating, a different kind of intelligence is operating.

...and that intelligence is your consciousness individual surrounding aura.

comments, feedback??

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 28 Feb 2010
Topic: Which is the major cause of division?

I see it that governments and religions are the reason for our headaches.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 23 Mar 2010
Topic: WHAT IS TEACHING OF K

As a child K spent hours perfectly still, watching the tiny insects, the leaves, or the motion of the wind on the land. As an adult, his writings were filled with images of the natural beauty of the places he knew. Woven through all of his thought was the stillness of his own being as he looked upon the world. To see life without reaction or judgement, with no choice or any projection, this he called Choiceless Awareness. In this very action, he said, begins the birth of a new state of being.

This is acatually what his teachings is all about! The world has been taught and brought up in the wrong way and it is our mission to find the right or new way.

Krishnamurit: "It is up to you. There is no leader, there is no teacher, there is nobody to tell you what to do. You are alone in this mad brutal world." One must die each day to all one's memories, experiences, knowledge and hopes.... Not to gather, but to die each day, each minute, is timeless being....These are not just words, but the statement of an actuality.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 26 Apr 2010
Topic: How does one observe?

Two words: Choiceless Awareness.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 28 May 2010
Topic: Krishnamurti on Truth and Awareness

What is truth, according to you?’

‘Call it truth, liberation, or even God. It is all the same. Truth is for me the release of the mind from all burdens of memory.’ This definition was new to me, but before I could say a word Krishnamurti went on: ‘Truth is awareness, constant awareness of life within and without you. Do you follow?’ His voice became almost insistent.

‘I do, but please explain to me what you mean by “awareness”’, I replied.

Krishnamurti came even closer to me, and his voice became even more persuasive. ‘What matters is that we should live completely at every moment of our lives. That is the only real liberation. Truth is nothing abstract, it is neither philosophy, occultism nor mysticism. It is everyday life, it is perceiving the meaning and wisdom of life around us. The only life worth dealing with is our present life and every one of its moments. But to understand it we must liberate our mind from all memories, and allow it to appreciate spontaneously the present moment.’

‘I take it that by spontaneous appreciation you mean an appreciation dictated solely by the circumstances of that very moment?’

‘Exactly – there can be no other spontaneity of life; and that is precisely what I call real awareness. Do you understand?’

‘I do, but I doubt whether such awareness can really be expressed in words… I think it can only be understood if we actually experience it ourselves. No description can possibly do it justice.’

Krishnamurti did not answer immediately. He was lying on the ground, facing the sky. ‘It is so’, he said slowly; ‘but what is one to do?’

‘What indeed, Krishnaji? I wondered what you really meant when you told me yesterday that you tried to help people by talking to them. Can anyone who has not himself gone through that state of awareness of which you speak comprehend what it means? Those who possess it do not need to hear about it.’

Krishnamurti paused again, and I could hear that he was affected by the turn our conversation had taken. He said after a while: ‘And yet this is the only ay one can help people. I think that one clarifies people’s minds by discussing these things with them. Eventually they will perceive truth for themselves.’

I knew that Krishnamurti disliked all questions that seemed to arise out of mere curiosity or to depend upon abstract speculation, but I nevertheless asked him: ‘Don’t you think that the limits of time and space must cease to exist once we establish within ourselves a constant awareness of life?’

‘Of course they must. The past is only a result of memories. It is dead stuff. Once we cease to carry about with us this ballast there will be no time limits with regard to the past. The same is true in a slightly different way with regard to the future. But all this talk about seeing into the future or the past is only a result of purely intellectual curiosity. At every lecture I give half a dozen people always ask me about their future and past incarnations. As though it mattered what they were or what they will be. All that is real is the present. Whether we can look into the to-morrow or across continents is meaningless from a spiritual point of view.’

Quote from Krishnamurti As I Knew Him by S. Balasundaram

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 28 May 2010
Topic: Krishnamurti on Truth and Awareness

Toni Lorenzo wrote: ‘Truth is awareness, constant awareness of life within and without you.‘What matters is that we should live completely at every moment of our lives. That is the only real liberation. Truth is nothing abstract, it is neither philosophy, occultism nor mysticism. It is everyday life, it is perceiving the meaning and wisdom of life around us. The only life worth dealing with is our present life and every one of its moments. But to understand it we must liberate our mind from all memories, and allow it to appreciate spontaneously the present moment.’

One observation is that many people have achieved this constant awareness of being in the now and living in the moment. The issue here is how long and well the same can stayed centered in his awareness until the arrival of the divineness overshadows and desends upon them.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 06 Jun 2010
Topic: Krishnamurti on Truth and Awareness

Toni Lorenzo wrote: I take it that by spontaneous appreciation you mean an appreciation dictated solely by the circumstances of that very moment‘ Exactly – there can be no other spontaneity of life; and that is precisely what I call real awareness. Do you understand?

Am I to understand that K was implying here that the only real awareness is if I should find myself in a room with several beautiful young girls that I should not fight against the desire to satisfy and enjoy myself with all of them at once?

On the other side of the coin, if I should find myself in room full of gay men should I insist on maintaing my sexual orintation, would this also infringe upon the circumstances of the moment or real awareness?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 06 Jun 2010
Topic: Deleted

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Forum: General Discussion Sun, 06 Jun 2010
Topic: Inside the New Brain!

I hope that you will listen, but not with the memory of what you already know; and this is very difficult to do. You listen to something, and your mind immediately reacts with its knowledge, its conclusions, its opinions, its past memories. It listens, inquiring for a future understanding.

Just observe yourself, how you are listening, and you will see that this is what is taking place. Either you are listening with a conclusion, with knowledge, with certain memories, experiences, or you want an answer, and you are impatient. You want to know what it is all about, what life is all about, the extraordinary complexity of life. You are not actually listening at all.

You can only listen when the mind is quiet, when the mind doesn't react immediately, when there is an interval between your reaction and what is being said. Then, in that interval there is a quietness, there is a silence in which alone there is a comprehension which is not intellectual understanding.

If there is a gap between what is said and your own reaction to what is said, in that interval, whether you prolong it indefinitely, for a long period or for a few seconds - in that interval, if you observe, there comes clarity. It is the interval that is the new brain. The immediate reaction is the old brain, and the old brain functions in its own traditional, accepted, reactionary, animalistic sense.

When there is an absence of that, when the reaction is suspended, when there is an interval, then you will find that the new brain acts, and it is only the new brain that can understand, not the old brain.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 08 Jun 2010
Topic: Inside the New Brain!

Toni Lorenzo wrote: there is a silence in which alone there is a comprehension which is not intellectual understanding.

I don't know why I posted these words from K. Maybe it was the new brain or quiet mind that poked me to post it. Any attempt to comment on this subject is in all likelyhood comming from the old brain. So I asked myself...which brain of ours is now saying this? Surly, the old brain is working differently than it did just 100 years ago. I think that K was making a point that the new brain has not and will not ever changed. It is like the silence before the creation of the first word and all things. It is perfect in and of itself for all eternity, the silence of the new brain. So the question arises, what happens in our brains when images replace language as the primary means of communication? Well I think too many images of violence in the world are not healthy for both brains. We have learned so much about the human brain during the past two decades that it's fair to speak of a revolutionary change in our understanding. The era of the Old Brain is giving way to that of the New Brain. The new brain activates itself when the ego is subduded or the inner child is under control and yes, the old brain seems to somehow fight back. K's understanding of the effects of media and technology on our brain, thoughts and emotions is the real issue but it seems he left it open for future "brains" to deal with. It is a medical fact that new brain cells listen before they talk whereas old brain cells speak out all that is stored in their memory from past experience. The old brain is doing it's job very well because the world we live in today is without a doubt, full of noise.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 08 Jun 2010
Topic: Inside the New Brain!

nick carter wrote: I'm not surprised to learn that the old brain's name is Surly.

Art thou not too, like unto me

A tourch to light earth's gloom,

A Soul, therefore a mystery,

A wanderer bound to roam?

--Victor Hugo (1802-1885)

"To the invisible One".

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 12 Jul 2010
Topic: One little step to the enlightenment:

One little step to enlightenment is to forget it the moment you find it!

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Oct 2010
Topic: Discovered a New Quote from K!

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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