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Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 05 Jun 2009
Topic: As we observe centrifugally¢ripetally

Richard Kover has asked about the observation as it is of the world today, I agree with him that there can be no awareness without taking things as they are and examining them.As we observe centripetally at the world there is also the centrifugal force of the "me" and "I" colouring the observations.just now I saw on CNNTv how Obama is affected by the past holocaust killings and his remarkable speech there on "EVIL" I am reminded of Hannah Arendts philosophical insights and exploratopns on evil .evil persists as minor cruelty and major cruelty. Violence or evil begets more violence and evil.It is like fungus spreading unnoticed in the world we must be aware of it all the time watching it like a dangerous snake.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Sat, 06 Jun 2009
Topic: As we observe centrifugally¢ripetally

Dangerous snake is inside us and it can sneak out outside and assume proportions unimagined or unpredictable.Pol-Pot,Hitler,Prabhakaran,Stalin, you cane name a few indidividuals from whom the snake of violence slipped out and took monstrous forms."I" may grow within myself a small snake but as Jk would say, i am not jumping into the bandwagon of non-violence which again becomes organized form of violence or resistance.all i am keen on is to watch( within) this small snake I am ,and watch the snakes of others all the time. that calls for awareness, is it not?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Sun, 07 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

The US President Obama has impressed his audiences in USA and other parts of the world as a concerned, globally conscious leader through his speeches over the past few months. If one analyzes his speeches, one comes across a compehensive understanding of the problems the world faces today and his concern. If J.Krishnamurti was alive today, what would he offer OBAMA as an advice? What would you say or share with OBAMA?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 08 Jun 2009
Topic: As we observe centrifugally¢ripetally

Richard Kover wrote: There are several interesting aspects to this "snake" as you call it. Can we say that one aspect is that the danger and harm are not the presence of the "I" per se, but rather result from allowing its interference to govern behavior?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 08 Jun 2009
Topic: As we observe centrifugally¢ripetally

Thought based on centre"I" has selfish interests and so would any behaviour that springs forth from these thoughts/the centre"I"

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 08 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

I agree all empires are bound to vanish.Any organization/nation/empire based on cunning thought processes of a few or several individuals is bound to collapse one day.Still Obama may be the first one to let some fresh air inside the corridors of power in USA.He comes across as a patriot with well-meaning intentions.all I am worried is his "angst"like.state in which he is constantly spinning-seems not so healthy I wish he relaxes more,Because the world at large may expect much from him, he has many miles to go and many goals to achieve. I wish him all the best and success.Dreams of his father he may not fulfill, but i hope he would his childrens dreams!

Forum: Awareness in our world today Tue, 09 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Politicians are also individuals and individuals are programmed.If one considers OBAMA, his own book Dreams of my father portrays some his inner programming and his speeches reveal the content of his consciousness or his groups that govern USA today. That is revealing.Love that he got from his mother, grandmother, grandfather do work upon him.He is sensitive to the people he has met in Indonesia,Hawaii, and other places. I do hope LOVE prevails on him and his policies on men & matters of the world!

Forum: Awareness in our world today Tue, 09 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Thanks to Mr Robert Michael and his views. I am glad he has an insider(USA) view of things.I agree politicians, adminstrators are all somewhat corrupt. As a Krishnamurti student, I agree totally with you.Life goes on in ever-repeated circles of history and what goes up on the wheel of Life must come down at another point in time.That is unending repetition of HISTORY OF MAN. If OBAMA does not start new wars I would be happy... but then... who knows... unwittingly there are compelling forces arising in the far horizons of the globe.. Let us not be pessimistic . Regards, krishnanS.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Robert Michael wrote: I think Mr. Obama's 'hope' or 'dream' of saving the U. S. and the world stems essentially from an inherent low self-esteem and its need to prove himself to himself and others. Surely it's not grounded in wisdom. But he's certainly not alone here. Far from it. As it seems to me that most 'achiever', 'success', or 'leadership' oriented types are fundamentally insecure people. Which always manifests from the lack of possessing deep and genuine love, understanding, and compassion.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

I am greatly indebted to Robert Michael for his incisive analysis as quoted above.I entirely agree and feel the same. Gandhiji , &C.Rajagoalachari(Rajaji) of India were men without selfish intent so is Nelson Mandela .Fantastic that you have discerned the "angst" to please,or to impress his parents or grandparents that still plagues Mr.Obamas character or behaviour, you have detected! Fantastic. I am concerned about it by way of his health and the grievious harm it may do to the world at large.... In general this President should relax more....

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity

Keshni Sahni wrote: does Krishnamurti's statement "Mind is the same" no matter who you are hold any real truth, in light of genetic differences in races?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity

What is this "mind"? As you explained above the genetic origin of Indians etc, mind, is it a conglomeration of thoughts accumulated over the centuries by the collective societies or groups.You talk above about genetic conglomeration or globalization taking place but the so called "MIND" remains and operates in its habitual groove.Why?Can it not slip away from the wanton path?Or the indivdual that has ,his/her "mind" try slip away from this conglomerated/globalized habitual MIND? Or is it all pre-ordained as would the Eastern religions would want us to believe....

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity

Keshni Sahni wrote: There is more in common than the difference, but the difference is significant as well and should be brought under awareness - is what I feel. Atleast the physical part.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity

Dear Keshni Sahni, how do you define these "differences"? Is it possible to separate genetically-conditioned-behaviour from non-genetic-origin-behaviour?If you take wars or conflicts between groups/nations, one can see the behaviour is the same old repeated behaviour over the historical centuries. You may have to explain further on your differentiation. Regards Krishnan S

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity
Keshni Sahni wrote:

In Indian classrooms, girls and boys sit separately. That is natural. In heterogenous groups of races, caucasians and asians separate for example. I feel that is also natural. Genetic. But what about nationalistic differences? The war between Georgia and Russia for example? They are the same race, almost same culture, ex-communist nations. Still they are fought a bloody war. Is it a very unconscious/hidden fight for existing resources of society? We carry society with us whereve we go - like a map. With all the things that society provides us that we can not live without. Are we really fighting for resources or simply is it a chest thumping activity of apes?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity

All that is "PROGRAMMING" as Jk would call "Conditioning". I am asking can we slip free from these constraining "Programmes"/"Conditioning"?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Robert Michael wrote: Though once again and regardless of who is at the wheel, the self-centered greed, power, and prestige laced party that America has enjoyed and gloated in for many years, and very often at the expense of other countries and their peoples, is soon coming to an end. And as the ship is sinking, I suppose we'll continue business as usual focusing on the evils of other countries, instead of looking at the many that lie in our own back yard.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Once again thanks for a concerned analysis surrounding the corridors of power in USA.All is not lost. There are plenty of natural&human resources in your great nation which I hope vil eventually benefit the whole mankind in one way or another- Evils of other nations must also be checked and only a powerful and leading nation like USA can muster the courage&strength to lead in the right path. I am delighted with your deep understanding of the huge problems that lie ahead for a fresh President OBAMA!

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity

Cinel Soy wrote: It is waste of time to modify to different from how it is now. Because each and every one is selfish. No dog wants the other street dog to be entertained in its own street. Human too follow the same principle of living. Even among our own brothers and sisters, we fight for A - Z from child hood to grave yard.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 10 Jun 2009
Topic: Significance of Diversity

Dear Cinel Soy, you seem to echo what is writeen by ADI SHANKARA&GAUDAPADA in MANDUKYA KARIKA and its interpretaions. That is, the true nature of every being human or animal would always prevail and it can nebver change. Is it due to predermination of FATE or is it genetics that plays a part? It relevant here to probe the question, don´`t you think?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Thu, 11 Jun 2009
Topic: As we observe centrifugally¢ripetally

Eve Goodmon wrote: The self is the I, the Ego. Does silence 'think'?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Thu, 11 Jun 2009
Topic: As we observe centrifugally¢ripetally

Even in Silence there is this "SILENT-SPEECH" even though verbally not articulated, that is conditioned behaviour.... One has to lose totally but then we humans get lost in alternatives all the time( totally absorbed).As eveyone experiences a sunset,or, sun-rise, or a full moon, (as JK often pointed out) awareness occurs momentarily. this absorption or engrossment just like a child with a new toy, indicates emptiness, restlessness, neurotic uncertainity, "angst" or whatever operates on human beings continuously.Now computers, TVs, Ipods, what not absorbs us & create a real/virtual LIFE. We shall not seek awareness but we shall seek the source of our BEING/"I" and awareness automatically will dawn upon us.

Forum: I Am Not This.. Thu, 11 Jun 2009
Topic: 'This' Blocks The Clear Perception...
Manoj SachDeva wrote:

Being and relating in the world, there is a sense of 'my conditioning' corrupting the clarity of perception. Result is a 'partial action' that creates more miseries than solving the problems. Is it possible to 'push aside' or 'look through' the murky conditioning and perceive 'what is', as it is?

Forum: I Am Not This.. Thu, 11 Jun 2009
Topic: 'This' Blocks The Clear Perception...

You can look at the SUn/Moon or whatever is in your ambience in Nature around you just at the moment can`t you? You do not need all the tags of Conditioning for this.This computer I am typing is loaded with memory of its own plus the one I have put in as storage, still it operates on the desk with the particular topic on hand just now, free from the MEMORY... is it possible to operate for an humanbeing like that?

Forum: I Am Not This.. Thu, 11 Jun 2009
Topic: 'This' Blocks The Clear Perception...

Thanks Manoj SachDeva but please do not stop with this computer analogy alone. Delve deeper into your original question.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 12 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..
Robert Michael wrote:

Krishnamurti said in 1979 that America did not have the true religious spirit that probed, questioned, and negated. He also said that Europe did not have it either and that in India it had been wiped out and destroyed by the ugliness of politics, corruption, and the destruction of values. (J. K. - 'A Biography' - Jayakar)

Bob M.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 12 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Dear Bob, I will only quote Jk here as an answer.: "I am going to die-that is certain.If Isay, "For God`s sake wait a minute, knowledge will be dividing me- knowlledge that I am going to die at the end of January- and I will be frightened. I´ll say,"please, please wait, wait,wait. I have got to leave awill. I have to do this I have to do that. but if I realize the fact that all time is now, I then, will realize that death and living are together and that they are never separate. I will, then, live with death.I will be doing it all the time; that is, I will draw up my will, I will be dying now, which means I will be living. i will be living and death will be next door; there will be no divorce or separation between living and dying. Can you do this, sir, or is it impossible? Death says, "You can´t take anything with you" your knowledge, your books, your wife, your children, your money, your character, your vanity, all that you have built up for yourself- everything-goes at the end with death. you may say that there is a possibility that you may reincarnate. but I am asking you: can one live now without the last attachment to anything? Why postpone this- which is nonattachment- until the sickbed? Be free of attchment now." The quote is from "A TIMELESS SPRING:"pages214-215-Krishnamurti at Rajghat,Krishnamurti foundation India-1993. This dicussion by Krishnamurti at Rajghat, varanasi(BENARES,INDIA) was to remind the Indians that they have lost the "fragrance" that used to exist in their soil, that is the practice of "NONATTACHMENT" to everything, living with death all the time.As you pointed above, it is a value that is lost in India-the nonattchment or detachment value. Regards KrishnanS

Forum: I Am Not This.. Fri, 12 Jun 2009
Topic: 'This' Blocks The Clear Perception...

Manoj SachDeva wrote: But in dealing with human beings, more so with intimate relations- each encounter brings with it truckload of memories and associations. And all those bits and pieces are not even conscious. Most of the time, they are implied, under the surface but having, often, not understood but very powerful influence on the action. I am acknowledging the presence of this 'conditioning' and seriously asking if there is a possibility to look at the other without this conditioning.

Forum: I Am Not This.. Fri, 12 Jun 2009
Topic: 'This' Blocks The Clear Perception...

Hi Manoj SachDeva, Yes I agree in personal relationships ,conscious and unconscious forces from deep down from the inception of birth arise like memories even without one being aware of them.There is a possibility of looking at the other without this truckloads or videoloads of memory only when LOVE in ones heart blossoms and stays as a fragrance forever within.Love can be, when self is not. Love can exist, when detachment exists like the Tamarind fruit encased and bound by its own fibres to the outer shell of body.Tamarind is ever-so-ready to shed its shell.Are we ready to depart from our bodies like that fruit? Life and death exist or coexist. My Life now is dependant of my Death now. That is I may drop dead any moment ,like the Tamarind fruit willing to cast aside its body at any instance. Are we like that? Then one is in LOVE and the possibility that you speculate exists. What I am going to lose by LOVING? What am I going to lose by dying? These are the questions for all the moments of our lives.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 12 Jun 2009
Topic: Is it impossible to live with nonattachment in LIFE?

JK often talked of the lost fragrance of the Indian Soil.When he asked the Indians in India about it, they could not fathom it. In the end he explained and discussed this with them at Rajghat, Varanasi, India. Here I am asking, in the modern world, is it possible to be detached and live a life. If one is non-attached to things and persons, would that person be out of place in this world?