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Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 19 Jun 2009
Topic: Is it impossible to live with nonattachment in LIFE?

max greene wrote: But why does the physical organism construct this phantom "I"? What purpose does this construct serve? Perhaps K and the Buddha and a few others have gotten to the

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 19 Jun 2009
Topic: Is it impossible to live with nonattachment in LIFE?

Dear Max, It is a question of "Security", inner security for the organism. Since leaving the mothers womb, the individual is looking for "external support", "re-assurance" to anchor oneself in LIFE. That identity of the "I" is shaped by the tribe, culture,parents, language,religion etc, the whole flow of "outer Consiousness" impinging upon the "inner consciousness" and thereby creating this phantom construct"I". Buddha inquired for the end of all misery in the world, or rather SORROW/"DUKKA" and he found the source to be "DESIRE". JK on the other hand, points the finger at"FRAGMENTATION" . "I" cannot unlearn or wean away from my"I" but I acn observe my "I" how it became. I can quiten it by being AWARE of it all the TIME.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 19 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Monic Devi wrote: Krishnan, much needed humor in this serious environment

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 19 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

yes very much so. I recommend our forum members to read "TALES OF MULLAH NASRUDDIN" in between their serious engagement here. Here is one example: Mullah Nasruddin was searching in the sands under the street lamp in his village. The villagers asked him what he is looking for. He replied: "I lost my needle at home" They said:" why are you searching here in the sands instead of your house?" He replied: My house is dark. Here I have the light of the street lamp to search for"- We need to break from the grooves of JK-CONDITIONING too in between.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 19 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

Keshni Sahni wrote: It is observation of order and disorder within and without without judgement or wishful thinking, to put in simple terms. That's how it starts. Towards the end they say it results in dramatic visions and psychedelic sort of experiences. I doubt that but am open to that

Forum: Awareness in our world today Fri, 19 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

There is the cosmic order out in the Universe(s) and we are all familiar with our own inner chaos/disorder. To be without judgement and to be free of wishful"thinking" requires "EFFORT".Is it not? but, to me, "Awareness" arrives upon one when the person is absolutely and totally free of his/her "self"/"EGO". One can look at a flower and be lost in awareness. Wrinkled face of an old person can trigger awareness on observing deeply at face. One cannot command at will these psychedelic experiences or moments of awareness. What I mean is one cannot cultivate it. It comes on its own will.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Sat, 20 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?
max greene wrote:

Krishnan,

A couple of things. Is effort needed to be free? If we are involved in becoming, in trying to reach a goal (we aren't talking about a physical goal)--in other words, if we are making an effort to attain--we will never be free. Why is that? Simply because when we are "trying," we aren't actually "doing"! We're too busy.

Awareness has to be now--awareness in the past or the future is impossible. "Trying" to be aware is not awareness. So how are we, as physical organisms, aware? We are aware through our senses. It might be said that awareness IS sensing. If we don't sense something, we certainly aren't aware of it.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Sat, 20 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

Dear Max , I agree entirely with you on the futility of #effort#.

In relation to our discussions here, I am quoting below SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI`s "EKATMA PANCHAKAM" translated into English.(translation:Prof.K.Swaminathan)

  1. When, forgetting the Self, one thinks That the body is oneself and goes Through innumerable births And in the end remembers and becomes The Self, know this is only like Awaking from a dream wherein One has wandered over all the world.
  2. <pre><code>One is ever the Self. To ask oneself "Who and whereabout am I?" Is like the drunken man`s enquiring "Who am I?" and "Where am I?" </code></pre>

3- The body is within the Self. And yet

<pre><code> One thinks one is inside the inert body, Like some spectator who supposes That the screen on which the picture is thrown Is within the picture. </code></pre>
  1. Does an ornament of gold exist Apart from the gold?Can the body exist Apart from the Self? The ignorant one thinks "I am the body", The enlightened knows "I am the Self".

  2. The Self alone, the Sole Reality Exists for ever. If of yore the First of Teachers Revealed it through unbroken silence Say who can reveal it in spoken words?

So I have nothing to add just now on this. Regards, Krishnan

Forum: Awareness in our world today Sat, 20 Jun 2009
Topic: Is it impossible to live with nonattachment in LIFE?

Yes.On the political front we have seen how fear of the "other/s" has created SEATO, NATO, COMMUNIST alliances etc. Even today there is enormous human energy invested in grouping one group against another.That is very obvious to us. they fail and they reshape and give different names&forms-endless human war-mongering, conflict-infested activity.Huge sums are spent in defence of one against another.So this "I" is not playing havoc not only on"Me" but the "COLLECTIVE I" is causing immense suffering to humanity at large. Do you think this all would dissipate into thin air- this entrenched buildings of "I"?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: Is Inteliigence indivdual or common for all ?

The psychologists have their construct "Intelligence" and they measure &compare the the intelligence of individuals. I ask, is there an "INTELLIGENCE" common to us all?It is not"my" intelligence or "your"intelligence here we are concerned about, out there, is there an INTELLIGENCE, for example coordinating all the plnetary,cosmic activity as well as our ,mean,mundane existence on this beauttiful planet called Earh?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

max greene wrote: When I say this is my view, that means this is the way I see it. My view may be distorted, and to that extent it will be in error. But it is important to say that it is "my view" so that it will be different from "my opinion." Opinion is thought and belief; viewing, even when distorted, is seeing--an entirely different act from opinion.

Looking forward to more on this.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

"Knowledge, belief, conviction, conclusion and experience are hindrances to truth.They are the very structure of the self"-J-Krishnamurti:Rajagopal,D.:Commentaries on living:from the notebooks of J.Krishnamurti,New Delhi, 1972:BI Publications-page89. Further one can go step by step following J.K by his words/sentences such as the following:(Quotes from various publications of JK) "The naming is the process of the thinker Thoughts creates the thinker The very process of thinking creates the "me" There is only thinking, there is no thinker."

In my opinion, dear Max, the devil is "Thinking" How to cut it off and be SILENT? Or how am "I" going to tear "myself" apart from the flow of "Thinking"?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: Is Inteliigence indivdual or common for all ?

phil King wrote: And all those smart people with their straight neurons dont seem to be able to do much about it leaving those of us who are a little more convuluted to find some solutions.

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Sun, 21 Jun 2009
Topic: Is Inteliigence indivdual or common for all ?

There lies the difference in that the so.called-smart are not smart at all in intelligent way of living. Just now on the TV I saw how in Alberta, smart-sand.gropers are suking oil from sands & killing people, flora&fauna on that beautiful river&forest- area. That is not intelligence at all,I wonder the Intelligence out there I am referring to, has its own mighty way of teacching these smart people, may be sudden may be insidiously gradual,So smart by IQ or neuronal count does not count with this INTELLIGENCE, This INTELLIGENCE is communicating to us in many dimensions, but are we listening to it?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

max greene wrote: To be new and creative, the past must not--cannot--be carried forward. Action based on thinking can be the work of the very devil. Can silence be brought about through effort, discipline, knowledge, ritual?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

Thinking is limited. Science&technology marvels are wonderfully brought up by thinking.But they are limited , or, there are limits to their understanding of THE WHOLE. In human relationships(as you quoted above in the Middle East), the lack of LOVE;COMPASSION & UNDERSTANDING is obvious. TO reach SILENCE through the route of rituals,discipline,etc, is deluding onself into temporary illusions. Leads nowhere. Dropping the EGO instantly helps.And observing theWHOLE(including"me"&the whole Universe(s)) creates UNDERSTANDING/INTELLIGENCE/COMPASSION/LOVE.So naturally harmony in relationship.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

Keshni Sahni wrote: Like out-of-body experiences that you described earlier? Are these true? I did experience some when I used to practice Silva's Mind Control. When I used the technique, on that very night I started seeing magnanimous visions which later subsided. But still I do see some fantastic scenes with great detail occasionally in sleep/semi-sleep. What do dreams tell with regard to awareness

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

My OBE experiences come and go. Bystanders, watching me not breathing at all or shallowness in breahing with tears copiously flowing from the eyes, "Me" on the other hand experience "blissfulness" one can say more than orgasm in sex. A kind of all-knowing-all-feeling-all-hearing, sometimes knowing what is happening to the person next-door/nearby room etc. sometimes experience of flying(not physically) intutively take on the body of a bird,go watch the surf/froth of the sea,leaf-less tall trees of winter, "I" fly through etc. Some persons are worried I am going to die on seeing me like this. I tell them to take it easy&not to disturb this seance.I reassure them my breathing will become normal.In all this, I have a satisfying UNDERSTANDING that there is an UNIQUE ONENESS OF ALL THINGS. They are all ONE-people,trees,animals,birds,seawater,snow,sand all are united in someway as ONE.That feeling dominates the"ME" and gives enormous peace of mind afterwards.It is not my body that experiences. Some or other particle, call it intutive particle that participates in this-may be "soul" I do not want to use terminology. I dont know.I cannot command this at will.can happen any moment. I cannot fake it. Lerave it. it is not important.

Dear Keshni Sahni, I recommend you to read "MANDUKYA-KARIKA" of SRI GAUDAPADA (Disciple of ADI SHANKARA)or the English translation of it, by Swami Ghabirananda of SRI RAMAKRISHNA MATH,Puranattukara,Tiruchur,Kerala,India1987. This English translation, I have translated into the DANISH language.-There you have lucid explanation of the DREAM state as well as VINEYA(TURIYA/ATMAN) state. That may clarify why you have such dreams and what is their Nature. I am totally fascinated on the subject. Modern medical science&psychological Sciences have a lot to learn about this cognition in dream&waking states.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

Dear Keshni Sahni, sounds interesting. We have to look at these things in a scientific way.there are clairvoyants etc. there was also the guy who was a keen JK student later on , attacked or rather rdiculed JK and had his own marvellous experiences. He lived in Bangaluru & Switzerland , died a few years back. One need not pursue them except for personal curiosity.I dont know anything about this Silva method. I will study about it when I find time.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

Dear Keshni Sahni, Now I remember his name , yes, he was called UG KRISHNAMURTHY. have you heard of him?

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: On your own, little bird.
Samatha Reddy wrote:

(Saw a strange looking little bird, struggling to take wing trying to nurse it's broken wing by the side of a block of bricks struggling with every ounce of it's energy to take wing, as minutes passed to ardous hours and hours into a painfull long day...moving one to write thus. :-) And by the time I finished and looked out towards to where it had been, it had gone taking wing leaving no trace! :-)

Forum: Show 'n' Tell Mon, 22 Jun 2009
Topic: On your own, little bird.

Hi Samantha Reddy, It is poetic moment for the bird that flew without trace So are our moments ,though little, very precious, Days are long but poem lingers on Into the newly discovered " memory-molecule" Hi SR, take care and keep it up. Regards Krishnan

Forum: Awareness in our world today Tue, 23 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

max greene wrote: We must see the Ego for what it is. But who is it that sees the Ego? max

Forum: Awareness in our world today Tue, 23 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

The person bereft of the bonds of Ego sees or observes his own EGO clearly-one may say only some Saints like Jk or Sri Ramana maharshi, Nisargadata, Sri Ramakrishna and persons like them. But I think it is possible for each one of us to loosen up the bonds of the EGO and be free of it.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 24 Jun 2009
Topic: What does it mean to be "Aware"?

Why? is there an innate built-in-insecurity that prompts all this search/speculation or is it just another "becoming" mechanism of the thinking.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 24 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Robert Michael wrote: My experience is that one must become DEAD SERIOUS for a time if he is to ever come to experience genuine laughter of the heart and the heights of joy or sheer bliss, if you will. So often we use laughter to hide or cover a deep inner emptyness, guilt feelings, resentments, and misery. Which only the journey into Truth can ever truly fill and set aright.

Forum: Awareness in our world today Wed, 24 Jun 2009
Topic: The US President, OBAMA & his..

Dear Bob. I agree on the need for seriousness in this regard.Human condition is as you very wellpointed out, is often, "escapism" taking many routes.Leaving aside all this, I wonder, how our hero of the original topic is going to deal with demcratic problems cropping up in the vulcanoe -bursting forth politically in the theocratic STATE OF IRAN today? I mean Prseident OBAMA, what now?

Forum: K, psychology and the physical brain Wed, 24 Jun 2009
Topic: Is Inteliigence indivdual or common for all ?

Thanks to lengthy extract of Edward Morrison and interpretation of JKs sane use of intelligence&information by Phil K. Both explanations are very interesting and relevant to the point which I have raised above: Is Intelligence Individual or Common to us all? If there is river, every villager takes a share of the water from the Common River nearby,just like that, are we able to do or is the capacity to draw from THIS COMMON INTELLIGENCE is limited to few individuals? You have mentioned Newton,JK etc.If it is common for us all why we bother about this individual intelligence? May be, we are all tuned up in our brains differently, for obvious reasons of genetics as well as environ&culture and so on. But why are we not opening ourselves to recieve from the COMMON SOURCE OF INTELLIGENCE? What prevents us from being a JK or NEWTON or EINSTEIN? Is it a perspective of observation we are lacking or not familiar with?

Forum: Awareness in our world today Thu, 25 Jun 2009
Topic: Is it impossible to live with nonattachment in LIFE?

max greene wrote: Freedom is accomplished through effortless seeing and understanding

Forum: Awareness in our world today Thu, 25 Jun 2009
Topic: Is it impossible to live with nonattachment in LIFE?

Yes Max-.freedom is implied in effortless understanding.