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Forum: General Discussion Tue, 11 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

Funny... I just came back to the forum and the first thread I read was this one. I thought... this dialogue between gv and Q really seems to stress a few questions when compared with the first part. Then I found out it was me LOL LOL LOL

OK, lets take it up from where we left.

Indeed the dialogue between K and P is intriguing...

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 11 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

Now that I read that first dialogue again.. there seems to be no contradictions at all. When we say that consciousness is the sense of inner self and the periphery, it certainly involves the whole set of animal instincts and the whole set of sense inputs. And indeed it is more then just those because there is a process of construction based in the sense of separate self. When he says that it is all one movement we must remember that he is looking from a non-fragmented perspective.

What exactly are we questioning?

And... maybe a few other quotes related to his usage of "consciousness" that seems contradictory to you would be interesting to bring here.

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 11 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

K says consciousness is the content and when the content is emptied what is is something entirely different. Now that I have dedicated some energy into looking at this statement I am able, must say, that I agree.

What is happening when consciousness is there as the content acting? I am this little entity struggling in the immensity of this physical timebound and limited universe. All my efforts may help me succeed partially, a bit more or less, in some future. I use the tools I have at hand, in the best way I can - which are part of the content of consciousness - stuff like pride, self-image, reputation, practice, skill, morality, fear, courage, accumulated knowledge.... and deep inside I know it must all end, but I keep on struggling trying to do the best I can among these other little entities like myself. The ground of being is this enormous chaotic cosmos that has nothing to do, no intimacy whatsoever - except maybe through some mathematical formulas - with myself. I think this is a fairly good picture of life amongst the contents of consciousness.

In the other hand what happens when the content is emptied. All acquired knowledge, the inner separate entity and its personal struggles are gone. The ground of being is now tremendously intimate, the closest in fact - so close that it is myself. The world, the whole universe and its billions of years... and light years, are but these set of sense inputs, are not other but patterns of my own surface. I am introduced to this world through the perceptions of a man and not the opposite: a little man fighting its way amongst others in a physical cold ground that is far away....

Is it not indeed correct to say then that when consciousness is emptied something new, something totally different is born?

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 12 May 2010
Topic: Seeking clarification on today's quote

Is not the awareness of the timebound, physical and thought-limited state already timeless and beyond the physical (although not separate)? What he is saying is that man knows about this truth in some instinctive level and then he goes off to search it. But the only obstacle in fact is the thought that there is some obstacle preventing the already ever present seeing.

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 14 May 2010
Topic: Seeking clarification on today's quote

nick carter wrote:

geovani -geo- wrote: Is not the awareness of the timebound, physical and thought-limited state already timeless and beyond the physical (although not separate)?

nick: Why is it "timeless"? It's just awareness of a condition.

geo: Awareness of manifestation is non-manifested; of light is darkness; of time is timeless.

geo: "But the only obstacle in fact is the thought that there is some obstacle preventing the already ever present seeing."

nick: *All we know is that we don't see, don't completely understand, but we really don't know why. To speak of "ever present seeing" is presumptuous. *

geo: The knowing that we completly dont know is the complete knowing.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 14 May 2010
Topic: Seeking clarification on today's quote

nick carter wrote:

geovani -geo- wrote: nick: Why is it "timeless"? It's just awareness of a condition. geo: Awareness of manifestation is non-manifested; of light is darkness; of time is timeless. geo: "But the only obstacle in fact is the thought that there is some obstacle preventing the already ever present seeing." nick: *All we know is that we don't see, don't completely understand, but we really don't know why. To speak of "ever present seeing" is presumptuous. * geo: The knowing that we completly dont know is the complete knowing.

This doesn't clarify anything. You're speaking cryptically.

-nick-

I try... I try... :>))

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 24 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

nick carter wrote: "There is not amnesia or dysfunction" because some content remains. What's emptied is the confusion-causing content. But how is it that the brain suddenly sees what it must do (purge itself), and how, after a lifetime of resistance?

Simple. When one realizes that there is no life in there. One realizes that the essence of existence of the body, of the mind,of the brain, of any thoughts is not in any of those - it is beyond the known. Only the unreferrable unknown knows the known. Why be concerned with the known? :>)

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 25 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

nick carter wrote: I was asking gv.

So what? You still are...

-geo-

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