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Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Topic: K's negative response

I was sitting in the veranda, having a cup of tea, my wife had to go downtown. Suddenly, for unknown reason, the question came to my mind: "why krishnamurti invariably would answer - nobody - whenever asked whether someone understood his words". Obviously if one listens to the 18 tapes, Allan Anderson did understand it, they would walk along in agreement. The same with David Bohm. And Pupul Jaykar...many times. So why?

Well, let us consider that whenever K heard that question he "was" the ultimate, the absolute, the ground,... whatever name (as should be expected). So now...lets ask the ultimate: "Dear Mr. Ultimate, can you give the name of some persons who ARE you?"

What possible answers could we expect? Can John, Albert, Marcos, Abigail...BE the ultimate?? Can we give the address, street, phone number of individuals who are the ground? No...none have entered "there" - of course.

LOL....fun... -geo-

Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Topic: Timeless time

How strange....billions of years have passed since the big-bang - we have been told. And all that "time" is just one more quality of this world...being seen by this/that which is quality-less, time-less, space-less...is-ness. -geo-

Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Topic: Awakening

Intelligence which is no-thing-ness is obviously always what IS. It is the idea of some inner entity that spreads a shadow of "sleeping-ness" under the brightness of nothing. So to awake is to "get out of the way" as a separate me. All and any knowledge based on memory is limited. The seeing of limitedness is intelligence (just one possible name to it..like emptiness or silence). -geo-

Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Is not the clear seeing/perception of time...timeless? Is not the clear seeing of limitation...unlimited? Is not the clear sensing of thoughts..transcedence of the limitations of thinking? -geo-

Forum: Insights Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Topic: The movement of the mind

Rasmus Tinning wrote: No, I don?t think I have had a moment of ?only observation?. Of course, if I focus on the task of observing, there is momentarily a state that looks ?thoughtless?, but that is just because thought is occupied with observing. But perhaps some people are naturals.

I think it is not a matter of "forcing" a state of observation but aknowledging that which IS observation already. Let us call it awareness. Nothing can be, no events may happen without awareness already being it. Afer all, who or where things arise if not in awareness...or no-thing-ness? If I understand that there is no inner separate observer, I realize that everything is "me". And if I inquire deeper I realize that if all CAN be observed I am not that at all....I am nothing. This no-thing is what is already aware of all, including thoughts. Hmmmm.....I feel this was a bit too fast.... :>)) -geo-

Forum: Insights Tue, 08 Sep 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

max greene wrote: "Is not the clear seeing/perception of time...timeless? Is not the clear seeing of limitation...unlimited? Is not the clear sensing of thoughts..transcedence of the limitations of thinking? -geo-"

This is necessary and good in order to lead a good and thoughtful life. But if it all takes place within the individual's consciousness, it is still imagery and illusion--the imagery and illusion of the past as reality. -max-

That is true. And to avoid such dellusion, I feel there is the need to observe consciousness as one whole. Time, space, dimensionality, conditionings. It is all ONE bubble floating in the vastness of no-thing. This apparent light is the reflection of the real light of awareness, no? -geo-

Forum: Insights Tue, 08 Sep 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

max greene wrote: Geo, All I'm saying is that consciousness is the past, and its reflection NOW, in the living moment, is not reality. It is illusion. Action rising from consciousness--this illusion--will be wrong action because it will be based on the image of what was, not on the reality of what is. Correct action springs from observation and perception. The Now is to be observed and perceived. It cannot be drawn up from consciousness (memory). -max-

Yes. And Iam saying that the timeless observation is already the nature of what is. For anything to be it must be IN awareness. Where else? So, through this understanding the mind stops its drive to observe, to do something, to achieve. Then the whole field of consciousness is nothing more then patterns, waves of awareness. -geo-

Forum: Insights Tue, 08 Sep 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

geovani -geo- wrote: The Now is to be observed and perceived. It cannot be drawn up from consciousness (memory). -max-

I would rather say that the now IS perception, is awareness - that is its nature. Consciousness wants to do something about it. -geo-

Forum: Insights Wed, 09 Sep 2009
Topic: Can one's mind be totally empty of ideas?

Klaus M. wrote: Sounds like a riddle" and "Perhaps ..." ... says thought and has already reacted, has already disturbed reality -xx-

Are thoughts "outside" of reality? Is anything outside reality? -geo-

Forum: Insights Sat, 10 Oct 2009
Topic: Awakening

Intelligence which is no-thing-ness is obviously always what IS. It is the idea of some inner entity that spreads a shadow of "sleeping-ness" under the brightness of nothing. So to awake is to "get out of the way" as a separate me. All and any knowledge based on memory is limited. The seeing of limitedness is intelligence (just one possible name to it..like emptiness or silence).

-geo-

gv: that's right. Awakening relates to actual contact through attention between the conditioned field and the unconditioned energy of intelligence. It is not you as the known that awakens because the known is just thought and memory. If the known is treated as something actual that can become, unconditioned intelligence is obscured. In another sense the awakening of intelligence is awakening to what you really are. But K approached this negatively by negating the false, i.e. what you are not.

And suddenly what becomes bright, surprisingly, is the conditioned field...illumined by the unfathomable presence that I am, but it is not me.

-geo-

Forum: Insights Wed, 14 Oct 2009
Topic: Timeless time

Agree. There is the seeing of time timelessly :>)

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 11 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

Funny... I just came back to the forum and the first thread I read was this one. I thought... this dialogue between gv and Q really seems to stress a few questions when compared with the first part. Then I found out it was me LOL LOL LOL

OK, lets take it up from where we left.

Indeed the dialogue between K and P is intriguing...

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 11 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

Now that I read that first dialogue again.. there seems to be no contradictions at all. When we say that consciousness is the sense of inner self and the periphery, it certainly involves the whole set of animal instincts and the whole set of sense inputs. And indeed it is more then just those because there is a process of construction based in the sense of separate self. When he says that it is all one movement we must remember that he is looking from a non-fragmented perspective.

What exactly are we questioning?

And... maybe a few other quotes related to his usage of "consciousness" that seems contradictory to you would be interesting to bring here.

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 11 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

K says consciousness is the content and when the content is emptied what is is something entirely different. Now that I have dedicated some energy into looking at this statement I am able, must say, that I agree.

What is happening when consciousness is there as the content acting? I am this little entity struggling in the immensity of this physical timebound and limited universe. All my efforts may help me succeed partially, a bit more or less, in some future. I use the tools I have at hand, in the best way I can - which are part of the content of consciousness - stuff like pride, self-image, reputation, practice, skill, morality, fear, courage, accumulated knowledge.... and deep inside I know it must all end, but I keep on struggling trying to do the best I can among these other little entities like myself. The ground of being is this enormous chaotic cosmos that has nothing to do, no intimacy whatsoever - except maybe through some mathematical formulas - with myself. I think this is a fairly good picture of life amongst the contents of consciousness.

In the other hand what happens when the content is emptied. All acquired knowledge, the inner separate entity and its personal struggles are gone. The ground of being is now tremendously intimate, the closest in fact - so close that it is myself. The world, the whole universe and its billions of years... and light years, are but these set of sense inputs, are not other but patterns of my own surface. I am introduced to this world through the perceptions of a man and not the opposite: a little man fighting its way amongst others in a physical cold ground that is far away....

Is it not indeed correct to say then that when consciousness is emptied something new, something totally different is born?

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 12 May 2010
Topic: Seeking clarification on today's quote

Is not the awareness of the timebound, physical and thought-limited state already timeless and beyond the physical (although not separate)? What he is saying is that man knows about this truth in some instinctive level and then he goes off to search it. But the only obstacle in fact is the thought that there is some obstacle preventing the already ever present seeing.

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 14 May 2010
Topic: Seeking clarification on today's quote

nick carter wrote:

geovani -geo- wrote: Is not the awareness of the timebound, physical and thought-limited state already timeless and beyond the physical (although not separate)?

nick: Why is it "timeless"? It's just awareness of a condition.

geo: Awareness of manifestation is non-manifested; of light is darkness; of time is timeless.

geo: "But the only obstacle in fact is the thought that there is some obstacle preventing the already ever present seeing."

nick: *All we know is that we don't see, don't completely understand, but we really don't know why. To speak of "ever present seeing" is presumptuous. *

geo: The knowing that we completly dont know is the complete knowing.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 14 May 2010
Topic: Seeking clarification on today's quote

nick carter wrote:

geovani -geo- wrote: nick: Why is it "timeless"? It's just awareness of a condition. geo: Awareness of manifestation is non-manifested; of light is darkness; of time is timeless. geo: "But the only obstacle in fact is the thought that there is some obstacle preventing the already ever present seeing." nick: *All we know is that we don't see, don't completely understand, but we really don't know why. To speak of "ever present seeing" is presumptuous. * geo: The knowing that we completly dont know is the complete knowing.

This doesn't clarify anything. You're speaking cryptically.

-nick-

I try... I try... :>))

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 24 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

nick carter wrote: "There is not amnesia or dysfunction" because some content remains. What's emptied is the confusion-causing content. But how is it that the brain suddenly sees what it must do (purge itself), and how, after a lifetime of resistance?

Simple. When one realizes that there is no life in there. One realizes that the essence of existence of the body, of the mind,of the brain, of any thoughts is not in any of those - it is beyond the known. Only the unreferrable unknown knows the known. Why be concerned with the known? :>)

-geo-

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 25 May 2010
Topic: What is the Nature of Consciousness?

nick carter wrote: I was asking gv.

So what? You still are...

-geo-

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