Impossible to be conditioned by Krishnamurti's teachings. If someone is conditioned by his teachings it's only because they've not really listened or payed attention.
Some time I do, I have red K for a few years now and I can see his work in my thinking.
no teachings help to free one from conditioning
I would say yes and no; simply because I'm aware that conditioning is the state of mind which is intrinsically 'me'. No, because I find myself constantly ruminating over the teachings and working through them.There is the aspect of discovering the 'new' through the teachings and simultaneously the 'old' losing its hold.
A rather slow living and dying combination.
perhaps, to a certain extent, it happened some time. but i stopped reading k after that, and then things were ok.
Unless the mind is in a state in which no further conditioning takes place, all interactions with the external and the internal environment (other people, things, experiences, reflections, etc.) seem to bring with them some degree of conditioning; in that respect, K's teachings would not be an exception. May be exploring what exactly is 'conditioning' would be needed to ascertain whether conditioning is at all avoidable.
I was conditioned by my family and society; I was unleashed from that conditioning by walking through the door of observation opened by reading and listening to K.
As any one else, I too didn't feel it on my own that I was K-conditioned, but I realized only when others began to tell me. When I got rid of K- conditioning, I had also got rid of all conditioning.
K reading can not be the sole reason for conditioning. Generally most of mankind is already pre-conditioned due to their vulnerability, because of their fragmentation. K readers just shift in their dependence or conditioning to K.
Un-conditioned persons generally don't read K, as they don't find any need for change either in themselves or in others, as they don't find any challenges in life from the majority of human beings, who are conditioned and weak.
Definitely not. But I have a strong feeling that most K readers are deeply conditioned by the teachings. This does not make me any better. My conditioning has to do with my own likes, dislikes, fears etc. They have nothing to do with the teachings.
I also feel that becoming free of conditioning born of reading K is much more difficult than becoming free of human conditioning in general. It's a very serious issue, I think. If we don't allow the teachings to reach the depths, conditioning is inevitable.
Not really. Though for quite some time I felt inferior to him and not at his level of understanding. But that's no longer the case. I no longer place any man on a pedestal. Nor do I put myself up on one either.
"Happy is the man who is nothing." (J. K.)
I am learning to get rid of all conditionings.
If the understanding is intellectual or partial conditioning is an obvious fact. In reality we are all conditioned by the teachings as our understanding is partial. Otherwise the teachings would have created more more Krishnamurthies ( or I would like to say that rare flower)
becoming the salt on this earth
First of all, I would like to say I do not view K's dialogues as "Teachings". They remain dialogues, and I read them that way, often carrying on a conversational dialogue with him as I read his words. I did not personally know him, and I can't imagine he would ever have been comfortable with the label "Teachings". I would like to see the label dropped from use.
Perhaps I have a conditioning of sorts from my relationship
with the dialogues of K. I find it difficult to come up with different words [labels] to describe accurately the attaining of thought free attention and awareness required to be present here/ now. His language is very accurate in my view and I find myself often using his words and terms when I am in dialogue with others. I am aware of this when it occures.
When I was fairly new to the teachings I noticed my attitude changing towards some things which had been important to me, because I thought the teachings deemed these things unimportant, and I was certain of the truth of those teachings. It was only when I went further into the teachings that I found the problem resolved itself. I was doing what the Zen masters were always warning against: putting another head on top of one's own. I think that so long as we remain in the 'suchness' of things and don't stray into thoughts that separate us from things, we have a chance of not succumbing to any form of conditioning.
No, but maybe life would be easier if I had. I am very much my self with all the blockages one can imagine.
We have been conditioned by thousands of years of inherited beliefs and traditions. So when K says, 'It is possible to be free,' how do you receive such a gift?
The teaching is about undoing conditioning.
How can that possibly condition, as the whole movement of conditioning is seen?
Interesting question. Yes definitely. For a good while I was a Krishnamurti automaton, juke box, I KNEW what he was on about, even earlier I thought HE was the/my mirror to perception/seeing and I began to have amnesia about (the weight/quality of) my personal history/background/personality/quality of thinking.
I have to say that's all changed but I won't go there now.
I am not sure about this? May be or perhaps may be not.
There is a contradiction in the question....conditioning....ideas, mind field....being is observation, awareness.