You will understand as you move with the teachings. Stay with the teachings and everything will unfold
Doubting can become a habit. If self-knowledge is merely an intellectual hobby, and you have not experiemented with it yourself, you can always ask, "how do you know that". After all, you can't prove anything. Dialogue must be based on a communication whose nature is empathic.
But the Krishnamurti's statement can be dangerous, because there are always totalitarian people who are against questioning. They are in the "K-world" as well.
be open be humble in your inqury come to it not with burden of belief.
One has to go with the flow of humanity and not separate oneself as a spectator and stop to introspect.It does not matter where one is stationed in life or what one's education is because in the process of the discovery of existential life the spectrum is vast and it is doubt, in the personal, limited sense, that is one of the common factors of levelling or balancing the mental disposition in my daily life.
There is the 'ebb and flow' K refers to and the 'outer and inner' and for me I would say that the 'doubt' factor is more of a "personal conditioning liberator" in the face of accumulated mankinds' common memory thought processes already there from time immemorial of which I am.
i think doubt is healthy so long as one is not compulsive about doubt - in that case, doubt has become a habit and that's not genuine doubt.
I found that doubt led me deeper; if I saw a thought arise and said, aha! see that is the problem; a door slammed and the journey was ended. If I see a thought arise and I look at it skeptically and say let us examine this further then maybe there is something to be found. Doubt is necessary to allow you to question and explore, if you accept everything at face value then there is no exploration and if you reject everything as doubtful then there is not exploration but if you doubt that what you see is the whole answer you have just begun.
I think one must maintain a moderate amount of skepticism to balance between acceptance and rejection.
In the beginning, that is some 25 yrs ago, it did not occur to me doubt K. I was completely swayed by the Teacher and his Teachings. Doubt was unthinkable. Only recently the question of doubt has crept into my mind. Questions like who's K, are the teachings true, pop up in my head now and then. In listening to people and their reactions and my own reponses I strike a balance. In one sense I've almost forgotten K, I should say. K is at the background, I am at the forefront now. What I feel now matters more than what K says. The truth of my behaviour, my thinking is the solid ground. I'm more interested in that.
If he meant begin the journey here, I disagree. One must begin the journey of geniune spiritual liberation from a place of complete and total self-contempt. The old conditioned self must completely die or be destroyed. From which *bottom* the journey of *self*-discovery and not K-discovery will begin in earnest. And without any *doubt* whatsoever in a brand new light. One's whole attitude and outlook upon life will radically change, as K once alluded to.
Just let yourself to be guided by your intuition.
When one decides to have a positive disposition, hasn't one already limited relationship to the world? When one doubts all conclusions, is one more likely to be open to something new?
Doubt and Inquiry are one and the same. Without those you could not explore, discover truth.
Investigating with the eyes of a child, and the discernment of a skeptic.
What JK said is beyond all that one can interpret.
I am probably not a very logical person. However, first we must not think of ourselves as investigating something because straight away we are in a dualistic rut. We just empty ourselves and listen; if we can't do that we should go and play tiddliwinks or have a swim, or do some hard physical work - anything is better than listening to a K talk with any kind of assumption or expectation, positive or otherwise. If you have doubts then doubt to the limit and keep doubting, even focus on the doubt so it is encouraged to blossom, but never stifle it. These are not K's proposals, if I may say so, they are ourselves; so we must not separate ourselves by way of subject and object. And neither should we attach ourselves through belief putting all the responsibility on K and none on ourselves. I think I've blathered on too much.
i'm not sure the proper balance can be found deliberately.. i would say krishnamurti's 'doubt' is about negation.
i'll take 'tie yourself up in knots'. at least you have a chance to reach a point where you cannot 'move' anymore...then...you just might give up. :-)
I will come back to thi question later
Surely the problems of doubt and belief go hand-in-hand. Doubt is therefore only a problem for those who already believe in something. Someone who believes in the existence of God won't question it. And the atheist who believes in the non-existence of God also won't question it. So doubt is never really the problem.
Doubt - like thought - has a place.
by observing that doubt........
If one were "tied up in knots" he might try doubting the reality of those knots. This whole question comes from a mind in duality; to be squeezed by knots tied by some mysterious force implies a victim, a separate entity; there is no such entity. Doubt everything; the false will fall away; what is will not fall away.
I do not find anydifficulty in this. I donot understand exactly what is meant by positive disposition.
K said "do not follow anybody", he just point in some direction and I have to do the job. This is not about to do or feel the same that K did...it is me walking and looking at the world, watching and being. If you have something to balance, you are not aware...
My tendency is to first look for a position from where to investigate. As that doesn't work with things that feel realy important, i start looking - reluctantly.