Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening

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Jackie McInley
Jackie McInley
United Kingdom
Birthday: July 14
Url: http://www.opendoorinfo.com
Member since: Thu, 04 Jun 2009, 8:10pm
Last visited 9 months ago

Member Statement

Living and working for the next three years at the retreat centre STREAM GARDEN in Southern Thailand. Teaching and designing education programs, organising K gatherings and generally marketing and doing PR for the centre, so that people from all over the world can know about this wonderful place.

Stream Garden is a tropical paradise with forests, streams and rock pools - very favorable for inquiry, simple living and quiet observation. I am able to live peacefully and healthily with regular exercise and fully vegetarian food fresh from the organic garden.

Please see more about this centre on this site.

Interview Answers

Do you think Krishnamurti was exceptional, or is the transformation he spoke of universally accessible?

I can only access limitation, not transformation.

Obviously I can access limitation if I put my mind to it. My limitations are always with me, like seemingly faithful friends. Very close. Present in every moment. Accessible clearly, to anyone willing to look.

Transformation is out of my hands.

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How important do you consider group dialogue to be in understanding the more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message?

Dialogue is an opportunity to attend to a question in good relationship. Giving attention to a question together with the quality of mind and relationship that is asking it. "Start very near to go very far"...

That attention clearly reveals the nature of consciousness present. That nature is the atmosphere in the group. As an integral part, and passive builder of that consciousness, don't I always have a living responsibility for "what is" taking place?

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If you had to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about in just a few words of your own, what would they be?

Radical change. Facing who and what I am.

There is perhaps actually nobody craving and only craving itself moving in the mind. Is consciousness bound to crave and so literally bound to craving? Or does attention act without time or identity, to shift the pattern, dissolve the craving and free the mind?

Does this free mind see differently? Is it now open to the truth of consciousness which is one, only ever 'present', and universal? This new mind realises a responsibility to clean and keep consciousness clean. Just like the planet.

My life is my mind - although it isn't mine - and all this is only ever up to "me".

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Do you think it is possible to make Krishnamurti more "practicable" than what he himself seems to have allowed for?

No need to water K down into explanations, translations or practices. If K is too difficult to listen to or understand, one can simply go elsewhere.

Perhaps the Teaching is its own unchangeable force, like light or energy. But it apparently has to be lived to actually exist as a force to transform.

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Are there any aspects of Krishnamurti's teaching that you find implausible or difficult to accept?

When I feel its implausible or difficult to accept... that's usually promising!

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How do you strike a balance between healthy doubt and ready acceptance in investigating Krishnamurti's proposals?

If the mind is interested in really seeing the illusion of self as it is in the process of interpreting, craving, repressing, choosing, then all effortless observation naturally "doubts" what it sees/feels. No "positive disposition" is needed; passion for life and its revelation, without the need to feed "me" and my beliefs is naturally generated.

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What future do you foresee for Krishnamurti's works? Do you think they will grow in importance or will they just gradually die away?

They will grow in importance if some people really live them and will die if they don't. However I somehow feel whenever there is genuine interest again they will come back to life.
The essencial point here is probably about a seed of inquiry alive somewhere whether or not in the human being.

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Does the phrase "living the teachings" have any meaning to you?

Without living the Teachings there are no Teachings.

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Has coming into contact with Krishnamurti and his teachings had any perceptible effect on your life and/or relationships?

Of course. Isn't that the whole point?

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Can dialogue - in the sense of sincere inquiry - be organized or can it only come about spontaneously, unprompted?

Perception as it is now, is constantly being organised by my ideas, usually rather set in particular patterns. My action is everlastingly prompted by my attitudes. Isn't it this inner organisation that is the most dangerous for us? How can it we ever have any spontaneity whist this patterning is in play?

Whether we organise dialogue or let it happen randomly - the same mental organising carries on, operating passively in every group. Bringing it out could however be the beginning of something more spontaneous and unprompted...

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Do you ever feel that you have been conditioned by Krishnamurti's teachings?

It is not because I read about freedom that I am free. It is not even because I understand what K is saying about freedom that I am free!

My brain can simply absorb the Teaching into its normal conditioned and conditioning functioning - guiding and leading perception. I now have more intelligent sounding conditioning prompting my life!

But there is a darker side to this: As the Teaching is wise, it follows (I unconsciously believe) that I too have become wiser. With God or K on my side I can proceed unattended, careless and dangerously irresponsable to my actual condition. In fact this carelessness and irresponsibility is unfortunately confused with Freedom. As the Teaching is right, and as I think like the teaching, must always be right! The old demon of so called religious thought lives on. As does the terrible travesty of goodness.

As long as I am guided or led by anybody or anything - aren't I accepting the authority and the movement of conditioning in my life and in everyone else's? Whatever K or the Teaching says.

Can attention shift to who or what is being guided, rather than bathing in the safety of so called good guidance?

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How do you personally go about exploring the Krishnamurti's teachings (through personal study, dialogues, dvds)?

I read, watch videos, have dialogues and study alone. But the most important thing to me is testing it out. Experimenting.

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Do you think it advisable to introduce Krishnamurti to people you know? Have you ever done it and if yes, what are your experiences?

It depends on the situation and the awareness of it. If people ask for information about K, especially young people, I feel it is most important to give one's "all" to respond to that demand. It could be a kind of sacred responsibility even.
However, usually I don't introduce people to Krishnamurti. In the same way K talks about Love being "dangerous" the Teaching might also be so. Perhaps we come upon it alone and in life's unique freedom.
Each situation and each person's life is different.

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2 Comments

Wed, 10 Jun 2009, 2:06am

"The point I feel is to access not transformation but limitation." This is a good point to keep in mind. Transformation has become the new enlightenment, sorry to say.

judith donson (account deleted) wrote:
Mon, 08 Jul 2013, 2:09am

HI,
Please can we be friends?
My name is Judith,i am a simple girl,I'm interested in you for a good friendship,please contact me back for a better introduction if you're interested.feel free as i will be waiting to hear from you soon (judith.donson22@yahoo.com)

Yours friend Judith.