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Aristides Chronopoulos
Aristides Chronopoulos
Greece
Birthday: March 23
Member since: Mon, 01 Sep 2014, 5:56pm
Last visited 10 days ago

Member Statement

Jiddu Krishnamurti and Plato, Plotinus and Porphyry are everything to me.
I feel i was born to read what they said and wrote and for Jiddu Krishnamurti also to watch and listen
what he said and of course see, watch and observe him in every detail.

Interests and Recommendations

Books

The First and Last Freedom - Jiddu Krishnamurti, Krishnamurti's Notebook, Symposium - Plato, Steppenwolf - Hermann Hesse

Movies

Dreams - Akira Kurosawa, Solaris - Andrei Tarkovsky, The Magic Flute (Trollflöjten) - Ingmar Bergman, Runaway Train - Andrei Konchalovsky

Music

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Johann Sebastian Bach, Ludwig Van Beethoven, Georg Friedrich Händel, Franz Schubert, Hariprasad Chaurasia, Jean-Pierre Rampal, Vera Dulova

Other interests

Philosophy - mostly Jiddu Krishnamurti, Music - mostly Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Worship and admiration of Nature, Renewable Energy Sources, Life and endless communication

Interview Answers

Do you ever feel that you have been conditioned by Krishnamurti's teachings?

I don't know about others but personally with Krishnamurti and what he said and wrote from the very very beginning i was always feeling somehow "protected" but in the same time completely independent. I have thought more times again about this "phenomenon" and finally i feel that this happens because in my opinion Krishnamurti is love itself so whoever goes into what has said and written receives the absolute and unique quality of intelligence that love is, not intelligence constructed, created by someone but rather the heart of life itself, the unity of life itself from where arises, comes a sense of absolute safeness but simultaneously - because is not something constructed, invented by someone - of total independence. Concerning all this Krishnamurti himself straightly makes clear again and again that he is not an authority of any kind and that we are, i am with him to-ge-ther and that we have to lean only to ourselves but this word together includes in my opinion all the meaning and the supreme state of security as i said above.

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If you had to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about in just a few words of your own, what would they be?

Love itself.

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How do you personally go about exploring the Krishnamurti's teachings (through personal study, dialogues, dvds)?

My exploring background to the things Krishnamurti has said and written begins at the 80s through personal study when i discovered him and captured by him. From the 00s onwards and after the wide spread of the Internet i continue to study him from time to time through my older and newer Krishnamurti books but now i also study his daily quotes on the official site and on Kinfonet and of course largely i study him through his recorded videos.

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Do you think it advisable to introduce Krishnamurti to people you know? Have you ever done it and if yes, what are your experiences?

Personally i never talk about Krishnamurti in meaningless meetings of the everyday life but when it is to talk about my inner view of life i always also talk about him since what has said and written echoes and reflects to my deepest inner being. Whenever i use his name and the things he has said and written i do it like i used a unique treasure, something really really sacred and not with the common trivial use and meaning of this word without waiting necessarily the proportional acceptance by the other(s). I also many times have given as gifts books of him to proper - according my opinion - people that i know or to friends again without waiting for some particular result. In general, as far as i have seen, all these people have given much attention to him maybe also because i really really mean what i say about him behaving very meaningly. Krishnamurti never wanted followers but gives and demands the most humane approach and that touches my deepest being so it depends on me and you and us if we will go deep into what he said and wrote.

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Has coming into contact with Krishnamurti and his teachings had any perceptible effect on your life and/or relationships?

I personally with Krishnamurti found what i was looking for in my previous life before discover him. All this time, all these years i'm becoming more and more conscious, more and more clear, purified and as a result of this gradually greater order restored, recovered in my narrow or wider environment. It is that one finds oneself gradually into a conscious and perceptive state of being.

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How do you strike a balance between healthy doubt and ready acceptance in investigating Krishnamurti's proposals?

It is about an excellent situation. Basically it is a conversation, it is like he is present next to me in my room and we talk about all these things, all the matters that life is, the pain, the pleasure... All these years, all this time it is like that, we are together me and him... So the whole thing is based on trustiness and out of that trustiness - which in turn comes from the truth that i have found in his statements - arises my "yes" and my "well... i'm thinking about that, let me see it". And the thing is that anything he says and writes and i have doubted about i find it next being true in my everyday living. So my conversation, my closeness and link with him becomes more and more stronger and important.

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What future do you foresee for Krishnamurti's works? Do you think they will grow in importance or will they just gradually die away?

To me Krishnamurti is Plato of nowadays and as what Plato said and wrote never lost, not even by Muslims, Christians and all the rest the same cannot be lost what Krishnamurti said and wrote. To me Krishnamurti, Plato and his great successor Plotinus/Porphyry are scientists, "anatomists" of the conscience.

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Can dialogue - in the sense of sincere inquiry - be organized or can it only come about spontaneously, unprompted?

I wouldn't say "be organized" but rather that persons who care deeply about life, about self-knowledge are all the time, permanently in a corresponding mood. So such persons is not what they talk about because their "quality" spreads in everything they do. So conclusively i think is not a matter of organize or not a sincere dialogue but rather a matter of self-awareness of the persons who meet and talk and all the rest.

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Do you think it is possible to make Krishnamurti more "practicable" than what he himself seems to have allowed for?

In general i think is completely true that in matters of self-knowledge there cannot be practice, one cannot practice, systematize them - you cannot hold breeze in your hand...
However Krishnamurti in the 40s suggested to people in his speeches to write down in a paper their thoughts and feelings through out the day in order to strengthen their self-awareness. It is very easy for someone to find speeches of him containing this suggestion through the official site but as well also here in the Kinfonet by typing the words "write thoughts" in their search machines. I think the clearest statement about this suggestion can be found in his book "The Book of Life" and it is the following:

"If you find it difficult to be aware, then experiment with writing down every thought and feeling that arises throughout the day; write down your reactions of jealousy, envy, vanity, sensuality, the intentions behind your words, and so on. Spend some time before breakfast in writing them down—which may necessitate going to bed earlier and putting aside some social affair. If you write these things down whenever you can, and in the evening before sleeping look over all that you have written during the day, study and examine it without judgment, without condemnation, you will begin to discover the hidden causes of your thoughts and feelings, desires and words...
Now, the important thing in this is to study with free intelligence what you have written down, and in studying it you will become aware of your own state. In the flame of self-awareness, of self-knowledge, the causes of conflict are discovered and consumed. You should continue to write down your thoughts and feelings, intentions and reactions, not once or twice, but for a considerable number of days until you are able to be aware of them instantly...
Meditation is not only constant self-awareness, but constant abandonment of the self. Out of right thinking there is meditation, from which there comes the tranquility of wisdom; and in that serenity the
highest is realized.
Writing down what one thinks and feels, one’s desires and reactions, brings about an inward awareness, the cooperation of the unconscious with the conscious, and this in turn leads to integration and understanding."

"Igniting the Flame of Self-Awareness" - The Book of Life
JKI # 20 from the JKI (Jiddu Krishnamurti Interviews) # 1-92
Krishnamurti Foundation of America Archives
Ojai
California

This statement i read it as a daily quote in the official site before 6-7 years ago and for me it was a major surprise to find Krishnamurti have suggested something so practical, i couldn't believe it. Of course i started immediately do it since it was what exactly needed in that period of my life where i was facing intense difficulties inwardly. I can declare after all these years that i'm doing it that it is exactly as he says it. Gradually one is able to have greater, wider, stronger and more penetrating self-awareness, one is really aware of his thoughts-feelings immediately. It is something unique which i think deserves a higher attention by those who are interested to what Krishnamurti said and wrote.

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Are there any aspects of Krishnamurti's teaching that you find implausible or difficult to accept?

I wouldn't say implausible but difficult to accept. But personally when i finally examine it in detail and be aware of it in daily life i see its truth. For example the statement that everyone is in consciousness the whole of humanity or even more the whole of existence totally is absolutely immense in my opinion for someone to feel it, to perceive it, to delve into its really religious meaning... Personally in the beginning i was accepting it theoretically, in a theoretical manner which is not understanding it at all. But little by little this statement started to unfold many things that i am, "levels" of me... I started to look what is this thing called pain, that is the common ground in which all stand. And then by this search i started to catch and feel gropingly the depth of Krishnamurti's statement about the unity of everything, i started to think everything as the parts of a big big tree having a common root, a common origin...the sacredness, the holiness of it, that it maybe... is the eternal, what we call God... I think what we call pain, the radical situation, is the dividing factor, the root, the beginning of me and by looking with Krishnamurti's statement through this radical situation called pain someone goes beyond of it that is beyond the division which is false, not real... And finally, in general is like this with any of Krishnamurti statements: Either from the first moment i have read it or later by living with it i haven't found it wrong or false.

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Does the phrase "living the teachings" have any meaning to you?

To someone is living the teachings means to me that this person is the living carrier of these things. Krishnamurti i think gives the absolute description about this in an answer which can be found in his book "The Future is Now" and it is the following:

"K: ...Sir, K has thought a great deal about the word `teaching'. We thought of using the word `work' - ironworks, big building works, hydroelectric works, you understand? So I thought `work' was very, very common. So we thought we might use the word `teaching', but it is not important - the word - right? The teachings of the Buddha nobody knows. I have asked them about the original teachings of the Buddha, but nobody knows. And Christ may have existed or may not have existed. That is a tremendous problem, whether he existed at all. We have discussed with great scholars about that. I would not go into it. And will K's teachings also disappear like the rest? You understand my question?

P35: I have not said it.

K: Of course you have not said it; somebody has written it. Therefore it is interesting. The questioner says - probably you also think - that when K goes, as he must go, what will happen to the teaching? Will it go as the Buddha's teachings, which have been corrupted? You know what is happening; will the same fate await K's teaching? You have understood the question? It depends upon you, not upon somebody else. It depends upon you - how you limit it, how you think about it, what it means to you. If it means nothing except words, then it will go the way of the rest. If it means something very deep to you, to you personally, then it won't be corrupted. You understand? So it is up to you, not up to the centres and information centres and all the rest of that business. It depends upon you, whether you live the teachings or not."

The Future is Now
Chapter 7 21st November 1985
Discussion with the campers Varanasi

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Do you think Krishnamurti was exceptional, or is the transformation he spoke of universally accessible?

In my opinion what Krishnamurti said and wrote will be discussed for the next many centuries. In my opinion the fact of Krishnamurti's existence is already potentially the transformation of the whole of humanity, Krishnamurti is himself the universal transformation of humanity. In my opinion human consciousness will never be the same after Krishnamurti since - always in my opinion - he uncovered and fully described what life is all about. To me Krishnamurti is a key with which someone - with the prerequisite that he is serious - can unlock all the matters that life is. But the critical point is for someone to be serious that in my opinion means to be sen-si-tive to life then such a person can enters to a state which Krishnamurti himself describes it like this:

"The mind that goes into itself deeply enters on a pilgrimage of enquiry from which there is no return. To open the door to the eternal, the journey into the self is the only way."

Pupul Jayakar
J. Krishnamurti: A Biography
Pages 237-238

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How important do you consider group dialogue to be in understanding the more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message?

The important in my opinion in a dialogue, a conversation about what Krishnamurti said and wrote and self-knowledge matters in general is the participants to share the common intense, ardent interest for these matters. Once this common ground exists then whatever these people may do it will be in this territory, they may discuss, laugh, be serious etc. Of course between these people there cannot be dependence because if existed they wouldn't really related. Someone is really related when stands alone because then doesn't exist fear from which loneliness is born. Such groups of people of course enforce and strengthen self-knowledge in general and in this procedure the meaning and the truth of all the probably more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message become obvious.

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