For whatever it is worth, thanks Jack, for showing some humanity and conscience. Feel free to delete this, but wanted to thank you, you touched me a little with your post of understanding and compassion. I would only hope others might join in and show some mercy and compassion and understanding. "To understand all, is to forgive all."

Hi brainless!

Pavill says it's me who's leaving all the messages and that, as per usual, is good enough for you, right? I'm sure if he told you to jump in the canal you'd be in there.

K derided what he called 'government scientists' but applauded free-thinking scientists of the like of Rupert Sheldrake and Bohm. The difference is between, on the one hand 'knowledge' (which is what 'government scientists' work from, ie. the trammeled 'knowledge' laid down previously and on which they purport to build), and 'dynamic rationality'. K's teachings come out in stark favour of 'dynamic rationality'. The author of the 'Woobusters' thread derides this with the pejorative term 'woo' and himself comes out starkly in favour of knowledge. The lunatic Singh excludes supporters of the teachings in this matter and upholds Pavil's alternative. You - brainless - can't see the wood for the trees.

Sorry to bother you again Jack, but would you be kind enough to campaign to bring back both John and me to the general forum.

As you can see, we both have separate accounts again and are two different people, two different voices.

My whole main objection and the reason i am doing what i am doing, is that i feel that our voices should be welcomed here just as much as yours, Bobbys, Pavils, Jeans, etc. Why exclude some and include these others. What makes our voices so unwelcomed here? If some have a problem with what we have to say, they can always ignore us or not respond to us. But in reality, i feel we have as much right to be here as the next person.

I can be wrong, but i think your conscience was touched and opened up some and was realizing you were too hard on us and you never know what others are going through. I was so proud of you when that spark opened up and i am hoping it stays lighted. Thanks, Steve.

I am done with you, Jack. Take care, be well, bye.