Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening

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Rob F
Rob F
United Kingdom
Member since: Sun, 23 Aug 2009, 2:55pm
Last visited 6 years ago

Member Statement

What we 'experience' is all in the mind and not 'outside' the mind.

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Books

The Awakening of Intelligence - Krishnamurti, To be Human - Krishnamurti, The Ending of Time - Krishnamurti, The Urgency of Change - Krishnamurti, Total Freedom - Krishnamurti, Discover your Self - Paul Brunton, The Inner Reality - Paul Brunton, The Hidden Teaching beyond Yoga - Paul Brunton, The Secret Path - Paul Brunton, The Wisdom of the Overself - Paul Brunton, Be As you Are - The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, Looking into Mind - Anthony Damiani Living Wisdom - Anthony Damiani

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What future do you foresee for Krishnamurti's works? Do you think they will grow in importance or will they just gradually die away?

As more and more people get disinchanted with their lives, with all the sadness and grief the world is experiencing at the moment, they will eventually look within for answers. Spiritual teachings of enlightened ones like Krishnamurti will gain more prominence. Spiritual teachings will never fade away, it leads us to who we really are, Spiritual Beings.

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Has coming into contact with Krishnamurti and his teachings had any perceptible effect on your life and/or relationships?

K's teachings along with other enlightened masters, have had a major influence on my life, with meditation, reflections and most importantly to self enquiry.

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How do you strike a balance between healthy doubt and ready acceptance in investigating Krishnamurti's proposals?

Knowing one is not just a ego, controlled by the senses, but a spiritual being, therefore everything experienced by the senses must be reflected upon deeply. Without deep reflection into the teachings, one will go around in circles - that all K's teaching is all mind stuff. One must come to the realisation that 'everything' experienced in 'life' is all mind and only experienced in the mind.

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Can dialogue - in the sense of sincere inquiry - be organized or can it only come about spontaneously, unprompted?

It has to come spontaneously, unprompted. There will be no dialogue if one is not ready for a sincere inquiry. One has to be at a stage in ones spiritual development that initiates the inquiry.
The problem with dialogue, is the tendency to intellectualise his teachings, instead of applying reasoning to the teachings. By intellectualising in dialogues, the mind is inclined to go around in circles, Reasoning must be applied.

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Do you think it advisable to introduce Krishnamurti to people you know? Have you ever done it and if yes, what are your experiences?

Most people I know are not ready for the short path as advocated by Krishnamurti.
The majority of people are on the long path, for some a very long path. People need to wake up out of their stupor and through reasoning come to the understanding that all there is, is mind and that the only experience one can experience 'anything' is through mind, that it is all in mind and not 'outside' mind.

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Do you think it is possible to make Krishnamurti more "practicable" than what he himself seems to have allowed for?

It is possible to make K more practicable. K's teachings require further explanation to convey his teachings.
In essence what he was conveying in his messages was - could it be possible to modify ones mind, to purify mind and all that we 'experience' is by mind and by applying reasoning to his teachings and only then will we come to understanding the Truth.

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Are there any aspects of Krishnamurti's teaching that you find implausible or difficult to accept?

Initially yes, but after applying reasoning to the teachings and reflection, understanding dawned and deepened.

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Do you ever feel that you have been conditioned by Krishnamurti's teachings?

Yes at first, then it dawned that all there was, was the reguritating of his terminology without knowing the full implication of Ks teaching, which lead to studying other enlightened masters.

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How do you personally go about exploring the Krishnamurti's teachings (through personal study, dialogues, dvds)?

Through meditation, self-enquiry and reasoning.

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Do you think Krishnamurti was exceptional, or is the transformation he spoke of universally accessible?

Krishnamurti was exceptional, transformation in the world is gaining momentum. His teachings are not universally accessible, as the teachings are not readily understood by the masses, except for the few spiritually advanced individuals.

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Does the phrase "living the teachings" have any meaning to you?

To live in an inspired and transformed life.

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If you had to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about in just a few words of your own, what would they be?

Krishnamurti was an enlightened being, who gave exceptionally high level of spiritual teachings not readily accepted by most people.

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How important do you consider group dialogue to be in understanding the more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message?

Dialogue is very important to assist people who are interested in K teachings, but who cannot quite grasp his intended meaning in the teachings. As mentioned earlier, dialogue is needed to explain or simplify K's teaching, but to understand the meaning of K's teachings, reasoning has to be applied.
The paradox is, there needs to be more thinking (right thinking or correctly by philosophical discernment). One must realise that K's teaching was in essence trying to lead one to Mentalism, by trying to lead one to examine the workings of one's own mind.

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2 Comments

A AG (account deleted) wrote:
Thu, 15 Dec 2011, 11:01pm

Hi Rob,
Would you kindly explain what do you mean when you establish a distinction bewteen 'intellectualising' and 'reasoning' K's teachings?
Thank you.
Africa

Rob F wrote:
Sat, 17 Dec 2011, 12:33pm

Hi Africa AG

When you read all the comments in the forums you come see that people who have read K works utilise all the wording that K used in his dialogues.
Intellectualising (their own idea/opinions) the message he was trying to convey without understanding the actual meaning of his words. Going around in circles using all his words without any understanding and having their own opinionated dialogues with like minded people.

Take for instance the word 'Wholeness', what was K's actually meaning when he used the word 'Wholeness'?

Now to reason this out, is to take the word 'Wholeness' reflect on what it actually means.
It means something is whole not 'broken' or 'fragmented'. What K meant was that for someone to be whole (Wholeness) there would have to be no thoughs/ideas (as you are in deep sleep or in meditation).
Thoughts/ideas are fragmented they come and they go. For a person to have Wholeness they would be without thoughts, this would be their True Self, not the little self that conjures up duality and all the thoughts/ideas and opinions of 'this and that', 'like this and don't like that' etc, which automatically follows duality.

Reading K's works 18 years ago the same thing happened. There was for two years this same intellectualising cycle of using K's words until there was the realisation that there was no actual understanding of his message.

Hope this explains this for you

Kind regards

Rob