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Is it impossible to live with nonattachment in LIFE?

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Fri, 12 Jun 2009 #1
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

JK often talked of the lost fragrance of the Indian Soil.When he asked the Indians in India about it, they could not fathom it. In the end he explained and discussed this with them at Rajghat, Varanasi, India. Here I am asking, in the modern world, is it possible to be detached and live a life. If one is non-attached to things and persons, would that person be out of place in this world?

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

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Fri, 12 Jun 2009 #2
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

When you are alone, totally alone, not belonging to any family, any nation, any culture, any particular continent, there is that sense of being an outsider. The man who is completely alone in this way is innocent and it is this innocence that frees the mind from sorrow.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Fri, 12 Jun 2009 #3
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Keshni Sahni wrote:
The man who is completely alone in this way is innocent and it is this innocence that frees the mind from sorrow.

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

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Fri, 12 Jun 2009 #4
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Innocency and aloneness go together to free the mind of its sorrow. Sorrow is attachment and suffering. Detachment frees the person of this bondage with sorrow.How this person functions in a day to day basis?

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Sat, 13 Jun 2009 #5
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Mind of an innocent person is like water, in my opinion. You can not write anything on water.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Sun, 14 Jun 2009 #6
Thumb_original_avatar max greene United States 23 posts in this forum Offline

What is meant by "non-attachment"?

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #7
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Sir, let us not get lost in semantics. Krishnaji has a language of his own but we are not bound to use the same language. By non-attachment, I think, Srinivasan meant the state of being an outsider. Please refer to my K quote in this same thread above:

Keshni Sahni wrote:
When you are alone, totally alone, not belonging to any family, any nation, any culture, any particular continent, there is that sense of being an outsider. The man who is completely alone in this way is innocent and it is this innocence that frees the mind from sorrow.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #8
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

max greene wrote:
What is meant by "non-attachment"?

max

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #9
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Even though one lives inside a family, community, society, nation, continent etc, one is not attched to the persons, ideas, concepts, constructs such as nationalism. one is free inwardly in such a non-attachment-state.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #10
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Words have a limitation, and one can not express everything in words. And when one tries to explain, it loses its original meaning or becomes obvious.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #11
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Yes, words are formulated thoughts and hence dead wood.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #12
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Not entirely. K conveyed almost eveything with words, but he invented a language to do so. But today some followers either go spiralling in heavy thought abstraction using his language or use it for some sophisticated form of spiritual entertainment.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #13
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Keshni Sahni wrote:
But today some followers either go spiralling in heavy thought abstraction using his language or use it for some sophisticated form of spiritual entertainment.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #14
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

What you call spiritual entertainment or abstraction is an evaluation by you.I am not here to judge others but to participte in the ongoing discussions.Who am I to judge others when" I" cannot judge "myself"?

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #15
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Judgement is result of past, not today or now. One has to observe a fact, as it is happenning, not sometime in the future, when it has lost all its significance.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #16
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Dear Keshni Sahni, you tell me..

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #17
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Well. All I can say is there expectation-less action in non-attachment. As energy is not moving in circles / spirals, there is a tangential action - The word vitality becomes significant.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #18
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Keshni Sahni wrote:
Well. All I can say is there expectation-less action in non-attachment. As energy is not moving in circles / spirals, there is a tangential action - The word vitality becomes significant.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #19
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Interesting this "vitality" concept. Such an action is like the one SRI KRISHNA adviced ARJUNA on the battlefield in Mahabhratha. Or, is it like the modern.day.anarchist-youth protesting for everything in the streets of Western-capitals, whos puberty is expressed in uncontrollable energy outbursts collectively in the open public?

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #20
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

not necessarily. you can waste your energy online also. in the form of video games or mindless discussions that lead no where. But why are we become dull? Why do we lost the interest and vitality as we progress? Is there a thought element causing dissipation? Or is it directionlessness? Why has the activity ceased on this forum?

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #21
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

I donĀ“t know, you may explain to me.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #22
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Consciousness is made up of five elements - Water, Sun, Space, Air and Earth. That's all there is. We filled it with thought instead of the earth. Thought has a place, but thought also has an ending. It takes birth in silence and falls back into silence. But we don't stop the thought/thinking process. There is continuity, without silence. There is no time or space to refill the consciousness with five elements because we are not empty

You will recieve the other when tbere is no space for thought or thinking.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #23
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Keshni Sahni wrote:

Consciousness is made up of five elements - Water, Sun, Space, Air and Earth. That's all there is. We filled it with thought instead of the earth. Thought has a place, but thought also has an ending. It takes birth in silence and falls back into silence. But we don't stop the thought/thinking process. There is continuity, without silence. There is no time or space to refill the consciousness with five elements because we are not empty

You will recieve the other when tbere is no space for thought or thinking.


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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #24
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

You five elements, are they different from the Hindu construct of PANCHABOODHAS?
In one sense, your elements lack the "FIRE"or OXYGEN.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #25
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

I replaced it with Sun. Air contains oxygen.

Sun, because life depends on sun for flourishing. Fire element is directly related to Sun, or Light.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #26
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Surprisingly the word "Light" was not mentioned in Pancha Bhootas.

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #27
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Thanks. How are we to be silent inwardly, meaning to become empty inwardly?

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #28
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 31 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

let us not use the word inwardly sir. Outer is the inner. You may say five elements are outside - how are they related to consciousness?
We are not talking about what the brain is made up of. We are talking about consciousness. You are what you think.
The five elements are all there is. Why did we fill the consciousness with non-facts?

If we see together, that if I think about a tree, then that tree is a part of my consciousness, then I know that earth and skies are all there in my mind.
The inner is the outer.

When I have space to see, beyond these, is there any thought?

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #29
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 322 posts in this forum Offline

Only meditation

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Tue, 16 Jun 2009 #30
Thumb_original_avatar max greene United States 23 posts in this forum Offline

Keshni Sahni wrote:

When you are alone, totally alone, not belonging to any family, any nation, any culture, any particular continent, there is that sense of being an outsider.


Who is the entity that would have the "sense" of being an outsider? It would be the living physical organism, with its brain/mind. This is all we are, unless we want to start speculating. And yet, the physical organism, which is us, has no known sense to detect emotions and value judgments. The organism sees, hears, smells, tastes and feels--and with its brain it thinks, creates thoughts.

The organism has created a psychological "I," which the organism then thinks of as itself. It is out of consideration for this image in the mind, this construct, that the thought of being an outsider arises.

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