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"In the light of silence, all problems are dissolved

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Wed, 11 Mar 2020 #1
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5772 posts in this forum Offline

>In the light of silence, all problems are dissolved. This light is not born of the ancient movement of thought. It is not born, either, out of self-revealing knowledge. It is not lit by time nor by any action of will. It comes about in meditation. Meditation is not a private affair; it is not a personal search for pleasure; pleasure is always separative and dividing. In meditation the dividing line between you and me disappears; in it the light of silence destroys the knowledge of the me. The me can be studied indefinitely, for it varies from day to day, but its reach is always limited, however extensive it is thought to be. Silence is freedom, and freedom comes with the finality of complete order.

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Wed, 11 Mar 2020 #2
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5772 posts in this forum Offline

"We are always becoming, we never “are”, the moment is never full, it is always tomorrow that is full, and so we miss the full movement of life. If you observe you own mind, you will see that we are never still for a moment, but we are always trying to be still. The trying is what we know, the becoming is what we know.

We know the ideal of silence, our mind is constantly pursuing that ideal, struggling, disciplining, controlling, shaping in order to have that silence in which the real can take place; and the real can never place in that silence, because that silence is becoming".

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Thu, 12 Mar 2020 #3
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5772 posts in this forum Offline

When the mind is aware that it is totally conditioned . . .

The mind itself is the product of environment. So as long as the mind is battling against the environment, trying to shake it, trying to break away from it, that very breaking away is a contradiction, and therefore there is a struggle. But if the mind is observant, is aware that it is itself the product of environment, then the mind becomes quiet, then the mind no longer struggles against itself. And being quiet, still, then it will be free from environment.
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See the truth of what is being said; and you cannot understand the truth of something if you are battling against it or defending it. Can we not see that the very nature of the mind is to contradict, to be a slave to environment? - because it is the product of time, of centuries of tradition, of fear, of hope, of inspiration, of stress and strain. Such a mind is conditioned totally. And when such a mind rejects or accepts, that very acceptance or rejection is the further continuance of conditioning. whereas, when the mind is aware that it is totally conditioned, consciously as well as unconsciously, then it is still, and in that stillness there is freedom from conditioning.

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Tue, 24 Mar 2020 #4
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5772 posts in this forum Offline

Nothing is essential for stillness …

Nothing is essential for stillness but stillness itself; it is its own beginning and its own end. No essential bring it about, for it is. No means can ever lead to stillness. It is only when stillness is something to be gained, achieved, that the means become essential. If stillness is to be bought, then the coin becomes important; but the coin, and that which it purchases, are not stillness. Means are noisy, violent, or subtly acquisitive, and the end is of like nature, for the end is in the means. If the beginning is silence, the end is also silence. There are no means to silence; silence is when noise is not. Noise does not come to an end through the further noise of effort, of discipline, of austerities, of will. See the truth of this, and there is silence.

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