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On the nature of the ego as a reflection (to Clive/all)


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Thu, 13 Feb 2020 #1
Thumb_open-uri20200202-16653-rg2qz5-0 Mina Martini Finland 418 posts in this forum Offline

m: the word Self was used to describe the true nature of a reflection which appears as the 'self/ego'

clive: Sorry, I am still not clear. A reflection of what?

Mina: Taking this wonderful question to a new embrace to be dived into.

(one is diving into the depths of oneself always :) )

Thought as the observer and observed, which is the ego, is a a relationship between reflections, shadows, images, thoughts.

So, a reply to your question about what the ego is a reflection of, is really this: it is a reflection of itself.

This is the observer and observed, the thinker and the thought.

It is the prison cage and the one imprisoned, they are the same.

Shadows started having an affair with shadows and ran off together in their dark marriage which can only create/spread destruction.

It is this false bondage of the false with itself which denies true unconditional love that needs to be so lovingly embraced in/by silence that nothing is left of it...

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Thu, 13 Feb 2020 #2
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1718 posts in this forum Offline

Mina Martini wrote:
Shadows started having an affair with shadows and ran off together in their dark marriage which can only create/spread destruction.

And the "shadows" sensing that they are only that attach themselves (ourselves) to 'things' to 'others' for the false sense of security it gives. They,(we) dread our impending death and disappearance...but if 'time' is one, not a past present and future and 'all' is taking place in the 'now', the 'eternal instant', then our 'death' as well as our birth has 'already taken place, (is taking place.)..so K. is suggesting rather than putting off the 'shedding' of attachments, psychological accumulations, etc, until one is on ones death bed, why not do it now, since it already 'has' been done (is being done) when the body died....

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Thu, 13 Feb 2020 #3
Thumb_open-uri20200202-16653-rg2qz5-0 Mina Martini Finland 418 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
but if 'time' is one, not a past present and future and 'all' is taking place in the 'now', the 'eternal instant', then our 'death' as well as our birth has 'already taken place, (is taking place.)..so K. is suggesting rather than putting off the 'shedding' of attachments, psychological accumulations, etc, until one is on ones death bed, why not do it now, since it already 'has' been done (is being done) when the body died....

Mina: Yes! Beyond the illusory reality of the observer/observed and the psychological time (cause and effect held apart) this illusion is, the dying and the living is ONE.

(Even to say 'beyond illusion' is not the best kind of phrase since it verbally suggests there IS an illusion in the first place and 'one is beyond it' which is of course not the case)

better to say:

Only life and death as one and no illusion has ever existed.

That is the ending of reincarnation and it is seen it never was a matter of 'someone having past or future lives' but of the ending of the idea of this 'someone' in this moment.

It is indeed happening. Nothing is happening, and to no one.

Emptiness looking at itself.

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