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Thu, 05 Sep 2019 #121
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5369 posts in this forum Offline

Jose Roberto Moreira wrote:
But is everything that we consider appropriate based on that? For instance, we do not consider keeping birds in cages appropriate. Is that based on prejudices, etc?

Self interest, the mind, is not the only movement active in our lives, is it? Is there not , for example, the action of seeing? We do have moments of clarity, free of the arguments and machinations of thought, do we not? There are such energies as compassion, understanding, intelligence, the drive to see what is true, are there not?

If there are not, then ..... the situation seems hopeless.

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Sun, 08 Sep 2019 #122
Thumb_open-uri20151228-18124-1kyi3s7-0 Jose Roberto Moreira Brazil 70 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
Self interest, the mind, is not the only movement active in our lives, is it? Is there not , for example, the action of seeing? We do have moments of clarity, free of the arguments and machinations of thought, do we not? There are such energies as compassion, understanding, intelligence, the drive to see what is true, are there not?

If there are not, then ..... the situation seems hopeless.

Yes, we do have moments of clarity! You are right, otherwise it would be very hard to proceed.

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Wed, 25 Sep 2019 #123
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 855 posts in this forum Offline

From 'Can THE mind be Quiet' chapter 20
"THE POSITIVE APPROACH IS DESTRUCTIVE ".

"You meet such people all over the world, not only well-cultured individuals, but who are alive to the disasters that are going on, to the mess the politicians are making through their personal vanity or for the importance of their party. They are also aware of the great disturbance that is going on within the pattern of religious organisations and the general havoc that war and the narrow spirit breed. They are highly intellectual or devastatingly emotional but moving in the same direction: the reformation of the world and vague aspirations of a spiritual life. It is the positive approach to life. It is a mind that must see everything very clearly as it goes along to the very end. The end must be as clear, definite and precise as the beginning. And in this positive clarity, discipline becomes a subtle form of conformity, which denies freedom. Yet they feel this very positive approach offers freedom. This approach is really materialistic—....."

And ending with

...." This positive approach, which promises so much, is fundamentally the most destructive, for in it there is no freedom at all, neither at the beginning nor at the end. The total negation of all this is one of the most difficult things to comprehend. Denying all systems and methods that promise freedom, is freedom. The emptying the mind of the positive, which is the formula, the ideal, the pursuit of the utopia, is the most positive action, in which alone a fundamental revolution can take place. The beauty of this is not immediately perceptible. What is immediately perceptible for a positive mind are the rungs of the ladder, and when there is no ladder to climb it gets lost. The fear of losing a grip on the ladder sustains inventing new ladders." ....

Two places of text who hit me yesterday !

Truth will unfold itself to those who enquire their own actions.

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Thu, 26 Sep 2019 #124
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5369 posts in this forum Offline

Wim Opdam wrote:
From 'Can THE mind be Quiet' chapter 20
"THE POSITIVE APPROACH IS DESTRUCTIVE ".e section

Hi Wim

I also have recently purchased this book, still reading it in fact. And I am likely to start again at the beginning when I finish. The section on meditation is brimming over with clear, deep, perception, insight that I have to tackle very slowly. And the earlier sections contain descriptions of people, as types, that I have not come across before.

Have you discovered a transcript of the book online, or did you type it is?

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Thu, 26 Sep 2019 #125
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 855 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
Have you discovered a transcript of the book online, or did you type it is?

No, I bought the e-book when you mentioned it on this forum.
Because of the light situations in waitingrooms and hospiitalbeds IT'S easier to read from paper than from tablet, so I make some screenshots and print them.

P.s.: i forgot to mention using ocr ;-)

Truth will unfold itself to those who enquire their own actions.

This post was last updated by Wim Opdam Thu, 26 Sep 2019.

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Thu, 26 Sep 2019 #126
Thumb_profiel Wim Opdam Belgium 855 posts in this forum Offline

How we waste our life, chapter 23 reminded me of some lines i wrote many years ago.

'Who is the master and who the slave ?
Is not he who is depended on his butler the slave from his butler and the butler the master of giving importance of his live ?
Is this not valid for every dependency ?'

Truth will unfold itself to those who enquire their own actions.

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Tue, 08 Oct 2019 #127
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 5369 posts in this forum Offline

Further to this topic of negative thinking, here is the final paragraph of the chapter entitled “The positive approach is destructive” from the newly published book “Can the Mind be Quiet”.

There is really no division between the positive and the negative. It is not going from this to that but awareness of the implications of the positive that inevitably brings the other about; the total perception of the so-called positive, in which is included systems, methods, self-improvement, the gradual process of achievement, the movement from the known to the known. Total perception of the so-called positive is the total negation of all that, and this negation has its own radical movement.

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