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The spiritual roots of war - interesting article


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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 #1
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 3729 posts in this forum Offline

https://umairhaque.com/the-spiritual-roots-of-war-1eef509c6307

Could anyone put a meaning on the word "soul", as used in the article?

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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 #2
Thumb_de4 Dan McDermott United States 789 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
Could anyone put a meaning on the word "soul", as used in the article?

Hi Clive

The 'one-ness' could only be limited by adding a 'meaning' to it. The author refers to "your soul", but obviously the "your" has no place there. I referred to the different 'states of consciousness' in another thread which you may have something to say about and I think, has a relevance to this article. But for us the question is: can 'awareness' transform and negate this innate sense that we have, that we are more 'important' than the "ant"? As the author says: "we're not."

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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 #3
Thumb_kinfonet_avatar Clive Elwell New Zealand 3729 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
But for us the question is: can 'awareness' transform and negate this innate sense that we have, that we are more 'important' than the "ant"? As the author says: "we're not."

It seems to me that as long as the self exists, it will contain the sense of "more important" - is that not its very nature? And that is why it is so destructive of society and the environment. A tiny pleasure for oneself can be far more important than the real well-being of another. And as long as "we're not" remains an idea, it really has no significance. (I'm not saying that it IS an idea for you, Dan).

Can awareness negate the self, you ask? That indeed is an ongoing and vital question.

As for this "soul" the author refers to but in no way explains ..... the word usually implies some permanent aspect of a human being, even surviving death. IS there anything permenent?

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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 #4
Thumb_de4 Dan McDermott United States 789 posts in this forum Offline

Clive Elwell wrote:
As for this "soul" the author refers to but in no way explains ..... the word usually implies some permanent aspect of a human being, even surviving death. IS there anything permanent?

That's the big 'hope', I guess (or fear!). But since we can't know for sure, it can only be speculation or belief...I took the "soul" that he was referring to as the soul of all living things: Awareness, the creative force of all life.

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