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Fri, 23 Apr 2010 #1
Thumb_anil anil kumar India 5 posts in this forum Offline

My question is how does one observe?when i try to observe i have a doubt whether is it my thought telling me or is it from awareness.How does one be aware of the thought without slipping into it?

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Fri, 23 Apr 2010 #2
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

anil kumar wrote:
How does one be aware of the thought without slipping into it?

It all started when I understood that thinking is the problem and deadly. living in the present helps without any effort, as you can see the fact with the realisation past is dead and future which nobody know, the centre dissolving with the awareness while holding to nothing. welcome.
gb
but your interview showed you have understood all this before, but the how ?individually only one can find with the reflections of you in the relationship.that is why we are here.
love
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Fri, 23 Apr 2010 #3
Thumb_anil anil kumar India 5 posts in this forum Offline

Thanks Ganesh trying to be alert and attentive of everything outside and inside me.

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Sun, 25 Apr 2010 #4
Thumb_mandala6 Ruth Bass United States 121 posts in this forum Offline

Observation uses all the physical senses and includes an alertness to thought qualities of assessment and distraction. Observation monitors the human condition within the environment. The subjective-objective continuum may be available to observation, or is it observation itself?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

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Mon, 26 Apr 2010 #5
Thumb_new_pics Toni Lorenzo United States 12 posts in this forum Offline

Two words: Choiceless Awareness.

There is nothing so powerful as the truth, and nothing so strange. ? Daniel Webster (1782-1852)

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #6
Thumb_anil anil kumar India 5 posts in this forum Offline

Does choice less awareness means that we be alert all the time?But once in a while we slip into thoughts.then what?

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #7
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

anil kumar wrote:
Does choice less awareness means that we be alert all the time?

You your self understand if you know what it signifies, the necessity and beauty of it if they are?
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #8
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

anil kumar wrote:
Does choice less awareness means that we be alert all the time?

being alert is different from awareness. we can't be alert all the time. Awareness is complete presence. We can be alert, but we can't be aware( in the sense K used this).Awareness is not our effort.

anil kumar wrote:
But once in a while we slip into thoughts.then what?

Please find out, is there any momment when there are no thought? Once find out thoughtless mind, then if neccessary ask, if it slip or not. Thoughtlessness is timeless, so if it is for a while then it is for infinity time, so it is never for a while.

I don't know

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #9
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

anil kumar wrote:
Does choice less awareness means that we be alert all the time?But once in a while we slip into thoughts.then what?

Hi,Anil,Are we aware of every movement of thought,through out the day?To be honest we are not! We are aware in patches,one see's that one is unaware again,and that Is awareness.There are gaps in our awareness,we are never aware continuously,but we think we should be.There is awareness, then un awareness,which is important?Should we be bothered about duration of awareness,or simply,that one is unaware?

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #10
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
We are aware in patches,one see's that one is unaware again,and that Is awareness.

Hi sir,

I think we are never aware, what we feel like being aware is just a thought, we may confuse simple alertness as awareness. Thought of being attentive is not awareness. I see it like this, don't know true or false..

I don't know

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #11
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
Thought of being attentive is not awareness.

Hi D,true thought is not awareness,in complete attention there is no center as the self,and in this is awareness manifested. One feels that this is what K points to when he says that birth,and death are both contained in the present moment!

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #12
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
thought is not awareness,in complete attention there is no center as the self,and in this is awareness manifested. One feels that this is what K points to when he says that birth,and death are both contained in the present moment!

Right sir,

So when I say that I was aware for a while, then it is a memmory/thought. K never looked like slipping from awareness, because I think this is not a physical thing which comes and goes.

I don't know

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #13
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
So when I say that I was aware for a while, then it is a memmory/thought.

Yes, the issue is unawareness,seeing it ends it,now.There is no thought,which requires time,there is only awareness of unawareness.

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #14
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
the issue is unawareness,seeing it ends it,now

yes, it is being with 'what is':)

I don't know

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Thu, 29 Apr 2010 #15
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
yes, it is being with 'what is':)

Yes D,that is all,thanks.

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Fri, 30 Apr 2010 #16
Thumb_anastasia Anastasia Kovas United States 29 posts in this forum Offline

Thought drives "me" mad, sane, happy, miserable. Observation annihilates "me" and all that revolving around "me". Observation, awareness, choicelessness, being what is, presence, oh the beauty in that!!

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Fri, 30 Apr 2010 #17
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Anastasia Kovas wrote:
Observation annihilates "me" and all that revolving around "me". Observation, awareness, choicelessness, being what is, presence, oh the beauty in that!!

Yes ,it's beautiful in it's simplicity,and thought likes to make it into a problem to be solved.

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Fri, 30 Apr 2010 #18
Thumb_anil anil kumar India 5 posts in this forum Offline

Thanks i need to be aware inside me as well as outside.

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Fri, 30 Apr 2010 #19
Thumb_1982_original Grace Full United Kingdom 5 posts in this forum Offline

Hi D and Rick,

dhirendra singh wrote:
Hi sir,

I think we are never aware, what we feel like being aware is just a thought, we may confuse simple alertness as awareness. Thought of being attentive is not awareness.

dhirendra singh wrote:
Right sir,

So when I say that I was aware for a while, then it is a memmory/thought. K never looked like slipping from awareness, because I think this is not a physical thing which comes and goes.

RICK LEIN wrote:
Yes, the issue is unawareness,seeing it ends it,now.There is no thought,which requires time,there is only awareness of unawareness.

dhirendra singh wrote:
yes, it is being with 'what is':)

I thought that being aware of our thought process is awareness. Can you explain me some more about attention, aware, alert, seeing 'what is' etc for more clarity. And how can one ever aware??

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Fri, 30 Apr 2010 #20
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Grace Full wrote:
I thought that being aware of our thought process is awareness. Can you explain me some more about attention, aware, alert, seeing 'what is' etc for more clarity. And how can one ever aware??

I doubt whether there is any way to be aware! We read/hear and decide that we should be aware of our thought, but this decision itself is a thinking.

If we realise whatever we do, is just act of thought, then we may realise No way!

Do we realise this that we can't reach anywhere through any attempt?
Do foolishness of attempting any method is clear to us?

I don't know

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Fri, 30 Apr 2010 #21
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
thought likes to make it into a problem to be solved.

Problem is a toy for baby thought:)

I don't know

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Fri, 07 May 2010 #22
Thumb_anil anil kumar India 5 posts in this forum Offline

Thanks

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Fri, 07 May 2010 #23
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Grace Full wrote:
I thought that being aware of our thought process is awareness. Can you explain me some more about attention, aware, alert, seeing 'what is' etc for more clarity. And how can one ever aware??

Hi Grace,There is no HOW,If one is unaware one is trapped in thought,to see this,is awareness,one is at peace with what is,that is all.

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