Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #61 |
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Krishnamurti : "Dead people with a moving body". |
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #62 |
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Krishnamurti: Marriage is a personal prostitution. |
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #63 |
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More opiniuns from Krishnamurti is yet to come. |
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #64 |
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Krishnamurti:Nationalism is glorified tribalism. |
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #65 |
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So far every time Jack has opened his mouth the ego exposes itself in an offensive way. Because the nature of the ego is rubbish. We can tolerate that because of k. |
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #66 |
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"In the United States, almost half of adults (46.4 percent) will experience a mental illness during their lifetime. 5 percent of adults (18 or older) experience a mental illness in any one year, equivalent to 43.8 million people.Feb 6, "2019
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #67 |
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To me a person who over reacts to things is a mentally ill person. For examples like what Jack constantly does. He condemns first then sets about insulting. One can see that in this forum every single day. Condemnation followed by insults and delusions. I am by no mean attacking Jack . I am explaining what he does every day in here. |
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #68 |
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If anybody is interested I am willing to share what I know about condemnation and how destructive it is because first it separates itself from the thing that it condemns and by that separation it creates conflict. |
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Sat, 21 Sep 2019 | #69 |
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con·demn (k?n-d?m?)
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Sun, 22 Sep 2019 | #70 |
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Do you doubt that K dealt with what is and not with what should be? He didn't point out what you should be but what you are. Understanding what you are without wanting to strive to become something else. That is realistic, not idealistic. But Jamie, if you prefer to believe that K was idealistic that doesn't change anything for me. Many people on here don't have a clue what K was pointing out. There is a great deal of what he said that I don't understand either.
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Sun, 22 Sep 2019 | #71 |
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I sometimes remain silent in the face of chaos but I'm not sure how effective it is. I have an acquaintance who has some mental health issues. He's not a friend but friends of mine know him. He picks fights with people for no reason. He seems to take offence at the most innocuous comment. Sometimes his friends will say something to him which I think is good as he may not realise that he is being unreasonable but as I don't know him too well I tend to remain silent. Perhaps a kind word is all that I can contribute to this man but usually I just remain silent when he starts arguing and insulting others for no apparent reason. Jamie, were you suggesting silence could do much more than this in the face of chaos? |
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Sun, 22 Sep 2019 | #72 |
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So what? What does this have to do with K? "Objective idealism" is an idea, an ideal that, as you say, has been postulated. To postulate means: to ask, demand, or claim.
Did K postulate? Did he assume? Or did K only speak of what he knew personally to be a fact? Obviously, as he himself confirmed many times, he spoke of what he new to be real. Of what he knew to be a fact. I decided to respond to your post #81 because of the smug way, ie; Hmmmmmmmmm and Wellll, you chose too express yourself. Hopefully we can refrain from that in the future. |
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Sun, 22 Sep 2019 | #73 |
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Apparently we don't even agree on the meaning of the word "idealist" which is clearly defined in the dictionary. I think that nobody likes anybody else in here and yet write to each other! I don't write to any body in here because it is petty and insignificant to write to people that you don't even know what they look like . They maybe criminals. I write to oneself and if anybody doesn't like it (like jack) I careless. Because he is nonexistent in my life. |
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Sun, 22 Sep 2019 | #74 |
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Of course not. Nobody is ever attacked here. It's as peaceful as an Irish pub. "Sow the seed of freedom, which is to awaken intelligence; for with that intelligence you can tackle all the problems of life." Krishnamurti This post was last updated by Ken D Sun, 22 Sep 2019.
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Sun, 22 Sep 2019 | #75 |
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First of all the word "ruminative" is not a word that Dictionary.Com recognizes. But I understand what you were trying to say; you were trying to chew on something , think it over, etc. But your thinking was obviously in error. Please let me explain. Consider this: You gave an example of some person or organization having an idealistic view of something K had pointed out. And you assumed that K was somehow idealistic because some one or some organization expressed an idealistic view of something he had pointed out. It may have been idealistic for the "objective idealists" or it may be that way for you and me but it doesn't follow that it was that way for K. Meaning we may perceive things idealistically but that doesn't mean K did. Do you understand the simple logic involved here and your rather gross error in logic? That error being that if someone else sees something K pointed out as idealistic then K must have seen it idealistically. This post was last updated by Jack Pine Sun, 22 Sep 2019.
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Sun, 22 Sep 2019 | #76 |
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There are numerous ways to define idealism. Here are two of them 1.The practice of forming or pursuing ideals, especially unrealistically. "the idealism of youth" Similar:
Opposite:
2 Any of various systems of thought in which the objects of knowledge are held to be in some way dependent on the activity of mind. "Sow the seed of freedom, which is to awaken intelligence; for with that intelligence you can tackle all the problems of life." Krishnamurti This post was last updated by Ken D Sun, 22 Sep 2019. |
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Mon, 23 Sep 2019 | #77 |
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Do you think that the vulgar jack pine is worth attacking. He is as low as possibly anybody can get. He keeps sending me private obscene messages. What a psychopath indeed he is. His wife must be crazy to live with him. |
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Mon, 23 Sep 2019 | #78 |
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Yes it does it by itself. I will look over my comments so that they are not repeated. Have good day. |
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Mon, 23 Sep 2019 | #79 |
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I beg to differ. There was an error in your logic. The example you cited about some group which had a name in part that included idealized has, indeed, an idealized view of K's pointing out that the thinker is the thought. Just because they have an idealized idea of this and that also we may have an idealized view of this doesn't mean that K did.
What criteria? Your opinion? Someone else's opinion? K himself made it clear time after time that what he pointed out was a fact that he lived. Not a possibility, a dream, a future goal. But a fact now, in real time.
But this is exactly what you are doing, Jamie. You think you are qualified to say that K was an idealist. And please share how, exactly, K made it clear we would never know how he saw things. He spent a life-time telling us exactly how he saw things. |
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Mon, 23 Sep 2019 | #80 |
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Glad I don't use one. "Sow the seed of freedom, which is to awaken intelligence; for with that intelligence you can tackle all the problems of life." Krishnamurti |
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #81 |
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It is time to realize that k is gone himself but things that he has questioned as " Is not family with it's property one of the causes of war?" are alive. |
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #82 |
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You know we started out discussing K not being an idealist. Something that is obvious. And you have gone off on these tangents that, frankly, make no sense. K, himself, often pointed out that thought was time. Thought is limited. Thought and the thinker are one. For K, obviously, there was no time, no thought. So there can be no idealism or any other invention of thought. Can you understand that? And what do you mean you can't differ with a definition? Are you on drugs? Of course you can differ with a definition. Maybe the definition is wrong. Definition is the product of thought. Jamie, frankly, you're talking gibberish. I have better things to do. Believe what you want. You will anyway.
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #83 |
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Now you're changing your tune. And no the above is not why. It's because idealism is a product of thought. K didn't make images of himself and others as we all do. Images are thought. You do understand that much don't you? So where there is no thought, as in K's case, then there is no idealism. And what you apparently failed is simple reason and understanding. |
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #84 |
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Jamie is playing with you:) |
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #85 |
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #86 |
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Below is what the vulgar Jack Pine sent me on a private message just two days ago. |
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #87 |
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From: Jack Pine
My response.
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Tue, 24 Sep 2019 | #88 |
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One wonders if this person is mentally ill or he is just a vulgar,an exploiter! |
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Thu, 26 Sep 2019 | #89 |
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Hi Jamie, I was reading Wholeness of Life for the second or third time when I came across this relevant paragraph: K: And as a human being, what am I to do? Because I personally have no image about this. I really mean I have no ideal--none of these images. I have none. And I say to myself what can I do--when everybody around me is building images and so destroying this lovely earth where we are meant to live happily in human relationship and look at the heavens and be happy about it. So what is the right action for a man who has an image? Or is there no right action? This is from WHOLENESS OF LIFE, the hard back cover edition published 1979. Page 96, Dialogue V. This is the book with Dr Bohm, and Dr Shainberg. The latter acting as the unsuspecting comic relief in the dialogues. |
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Sat, 28 Sep 2019 | #90 |
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Transformation is not an end or an ideal to achieve. |
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