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What is the ground on which inner silence may come about?


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Wed, 03 Apr 2019 #91
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jamie f wrote:
It is probably best to avoid definitive statements, even if you're Krishnamurti.

Jamie, if you would simply take the time to read what I quoted from K he explains exactly what he meant about there being no "unconscious". I don't expect the moron on here to read it but you have the brains to understand what you are reading.

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Wed, 03 Apr 2019 #92
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Mr False:
I don't expect the moron on here to read.

The right answer to an ignorant fool is silence.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #93
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jamie f wrote:
was having a little fun selecting quotations to make K contradict himself. It is fairly easy:

I don't see any contradiction in what k says in both cases.. The problem is Mr False trying to make a blue print from the teachings which is totally anti-k .

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #94
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One Self wrote:
The right answer to an ignorant fool is silence.

Then why don't you take your own advice and shut up? You see what you are doing? You make up a childish little rule and then you don't follow it. Is it because you can't think of anything intelligent to say? No, that can't be it. You say stupid things all the time and that doesn't seem to bother you.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #95
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One Self wrote:
Mr False:
I don't expect the moron on here to read.

The right answer to an ignorant fool is silence.

I noticed when I referred to the "moron", without naming him or her, on this forum you immediately recognized yourself. Maybe you're not quite as stupid as I thought.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #96
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One Self wrote:
I don't see any contradiction in what k says in both cases.

Usually people do not see what others see and that is
because you do not really look into your self!

Oops, where did that come from?

Have a quiet week, we are going to Brockwood.

Truth will unfold itself to those who enquire their own actions.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #97
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It is very odd that some people are sitting behind the computer and merely looking at what I say and then they respond to what I write like a second hand human being, if one can even call them that. For example if you read all of the 5000 posts that Mr False has in this forums 95% of them are like a dog barking at what a few other people wrote. He simply barks at what one writes without any meaning. The best way to deal with his noise is to ignore his next 1000 posts which are nothing new. He is like a tape player repeating itself and totally useless.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #98
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One Self wrote:
The best way to deal with his noise is to ignore his next 1000 posts which are nothing new.

OK then. Good. So you are going to take your own advice, that you have given to everyone else, and not read my next 1000 posts, right? You always follow your own advice, right? Or are you just full of crap as always? If you respond to this post we'll find out which person you are.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #99
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Wim Opdam wrote:
Have a quiet week, we are going to Brockwood.

And I am going to go up to Pine Cottage (what they call the library now) and talk to an old friend up there. Have a nice time in England Wim.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #100
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Stop quoting me Mr False ,you will never get it.
Anybody who quotes me will get his answer. Even the ignorant fools.

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #101
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To quote someone in order to distort what he says is the action of an ignorant fool. Obviously it is a form of violence to distort .

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Thu, 04 Apr 2019 #102
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Good, we will have a peace of mind in here till they come back to distort again .:-)

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Fri, 05 Apr 2019 #103
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One self, your above posts, 108 through 110, show that you are not only full of crap, as I suspected you would be, but that you are also incoherent and irrational. What is it that you are trying to say with all that confused gibberish?

I knew you couldn't help yourself. You have to read my posts, you are compelled to read my posts. You are my most ardent follower. I have to say I really don't appreciate your servitude. I find it....undignified and obsequious.

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Fri, 05 Apr 2019 #104
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Ken D wrote:
Think what a mess this forum would be if I had more than my 24 posts here.

Oh what the hell, Ken, let 'er rip. Express yourself as only you can do. I sort of enjoy your satire.

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Fri, 05 Apr 2019 #105
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Ken D wrote:
Anything we are unaware of at a given moment is unconscious. There's your answer.

unconscious (?n?k?n??s)
adj
1. (Medicine) lacking normal sensory awareness of the environment; insensible
2. not aware of one's actions, behaviour, etc: unconscious of his bad manners.
3. characterized by lack of awareness or intention: an unconscious blunder.
4. (Psychoanalysis) coming from or produced by the unconscious: unconscious resentment.
n
(Psychoanalysis) psychoanal the part of the mind containing instincts, impulses, images, and ideas that are not available for direct examination. See also collective unconscious Compare subconscious, preconscious
un?consciously adv
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

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Fri, 05 Apr 2019 #106
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We don't need to define words for ourselves, that is why we have dictionaries. Our problems starts when we give our own meanings to the words that have already been established for thousands of years. As k says start with the meaning of the words and go beyond it. In other words don't get stuck in words for ever as apparently some of us are stuck .

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Sat, 06 Apr 2019 #107
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Ken D wrote:
But Krishnamurti uses words whose definitions have never been established with any precision, mainly because they aren't scientific to begin with.

Let's examine that statement. Is it true that krishnamurti used words whose definitions ....?

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Sat, 06 Apr 2019 #108
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Ken D wrote:
But Krishnamurti uses words whose definitions have never been established with any precision, mainly because they aren't scientific to begin with.

Let's examine that statement. Is it true that krishnamurti used words whose definitions ....?

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Sat, 06 Apr 2019 #109
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To me krishnamurti was a true scientist . He was never a guru of any kind.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #110
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What is important is not what k said or did, What is important to me is to have a clear mind. Not a mind that is caught in image- making. . Clear mind means not having a confused mind.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #111
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One Self wrote:
To me krishnamurti was a true scientist . He was never a guru of any kind.

Do you notice how you seem to rush to label everything? These are conclusions based on thought which is incomplete. Why call K anything? You don't know what K was. You don't know who you are.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #112
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One Self wrote:
To me krishnamurti was a true scientist . He was never a guru of any kind.

First you write the above, which is your image of K.

One Self wrote:
What is important is not what k said or did, What is important to me is to have a clear mind. Not a mind that is caught in image- making.

And then you immediately contradict yourself in your very next post by writing the above. Do you see the problem here? Do these two statements seem confused, inconsistent and contradictory?

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #113
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Ken D wrote:
"Mind" is another one of those fuzzy, baffling terms that can mean virtually anything one can imagine. Is the "mind" an after effect of the brain? Is it separate from the brain? What would it mean to be "separate" from the brain? There is no agreed upon answer to these puzzles.

Ken, have you read the several dialogues between K and David Bohm where they discuss, very thoroughly it seems, "mind" and "brain". I'm referring to, in part; THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY, THE WHOLENESS OF LIFE, THE LIMITS OF THOUGHT.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #114
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One Self wrote:
In fact the conscious mind is crippled . It is worn out and has no freshness. But the unconscious is challenging and sharp. Krishnamurti spoke to this unconscious mind

How can a shallow mind understand anything beyond itself?

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #115
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One Self wrote:
In fact the conscious mind is crippled . It is worn out and has no freshness. But the unconscious is challenging and sharp. Krishnamurti spoke to this unconscious mind

How can a shallow mind understand anything beyond itself?

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #116
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One Self wrote:
How can a shallow mind understand anything beyond itself?

While you're coming to random and basically meaningless conclusions you might also want to note that you are double posting, again. How do you manage to do that? Anyway, you might want to consider deleting one of the double posts so that we won't be wasting space and memory on this forum. I know it's a drop in the bucket but it all adds up. It's the responsible thing to do. One double post yesterday too.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #117
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Ken, thanks for your reply and taking the time to give an example and explain your view. What you say may or may not be a fact but they, K and Bohm, did explain fairly well the difference between "brain" and "mind". I just can't remember in which dialogue they did the explaining.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #118
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One Self wrote:
The conflict that k warn us against is not a thing to be resolved by the limited conscious mind . The more we try to tame the unconscious the more failure we face to deal with. Humans are deep rooted self- destructive animals and the action of will cannot change it.

The conscious mind is too occupied with money and the rest of it that it cannot go beyond itself. And love is beyond consciousness.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #119
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Ken D wrote:
One Self wrote:
And love is beyond consciousness

I have no idea what this means, even if it fell from the lips of Krishnamurti.

Ken? He doesn't either. He is quoting his own confused, random, hollow statements. He is, essentially, having a dialogue with himself based on his own irrational posts. I think we have finally entered into someone's "la la" land. This forum may be unofficially kaput. If it wasn't already.

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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 #120
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Ken D wrote:
I have no idea what this means, even if it fell from the lips of Krishnamurti.

Is that the fault of Krishnamurti or you yourself? Surely not Krishnamurti.

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