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Fri, 28 Jul 2017 #31
Thumb_77 Ken D United States 20 posts in this forum Offline

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Sun, 30 Jul 2017 #32
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
I see some obvious examples

Yes, the obvious ones being "them", right? Somewhat less obvious are "us", no? But this exercise is still in that separating/dividing activity, yes? The real discovery (first step) is to perceive the whole, not the sum of the parts. Catch it if you can.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #33
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 3072 posts in this forum Offline

richard head wrote:
Yes, the obvious ones being "them", right? Somewhat less obvious are "us", no?

Maybe less, but most of us are aware when we take a position for or against...liberal vs. conservative...me vs you...socialism vs capitalism....for or against Israel or Palestine.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #34
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 3072 posts in this forum Offline

richard head wrote:
The real discovery (first step) is to perceive the whole, not the sum of the parts.

The whole of what? How does this relate to your point about taking a position?
Maybe you can be more specific about what exactly you're saying.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #35
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
Maybe you can be more specific about what exactly you're saying.

Is what I'm saying all that important Tom? What is more important, is our desire for more explanations to fill in the blanks.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #36
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
most of us are aware when we take a position for or against...

We are aware of the comfort and security these relationships give us. Are we aware of the conflicts inherent in these kinds of activities? Are we aware of the lower quality of our mental well being that is part and parcel with this lifestyle? Are we aware of this trade off, which pits comfort and security against turmoil created by our search for comfort and security? What are we actually aware of, Tom?

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #37
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
This is about our lives and our understanding.

So then, why ask me?

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #38
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
Why not join us in admitting that we're not "actually aware" of very much?

Simply repeating the words(we're not aware of very much)is not sufficient/adequate. The majority of posts on this forum indicate quite the contrary, in fact.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #39
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 3072 posts in this forum Offline

richard head wrote:
Tom Paine wrote:

Maybe you can be more specific about what exactly you're saying.
Is what I'm saying all that important Tom?

I have no idea. I don't know what you're trying to say. But if we're discussing together it matters whether we understand one another or not ... or we're just wasting our time.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #40
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
I don't know what you're trying to say.

And so the urge is to understand what I am saying in order to find out if it conforms (comfort/security/us) or contradicts (them) what your authority/thinking is telling you? I will not play this game with you. If you are suggesting something other than the path of knowledge/information exchange with this communication mechanism, carry on.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #41
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Dan McDermott wrote:
let's get to the bottom of this together.

Sorry Dan, you/we are on our own. Seeking companionship on your journey of discovery is the same old worn out failed path of knowledge/comfort/security. We/you have to stop that.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #42
Thumb_stringio Huguette . Canada 412 posts in this forum Offline

re #8 etc.:

richard head wrote:
This is the beauty of the "system" of mind controls we call society. It pits us-vs-them. So our attention is drawn to the entertainment (which is the work of our "free press") of conflict. Can you imagine how sick the right was while we had that damn "liberal" in office for 8 years? :)

Is the division between us really the “beauty” of mind control to you, or is this just sarcasm? Why be sarcastic? Don’t sarcasm and mocking also pit you against me, us against them? Aren’t sarcasm, mockery and superciliousness divisive? Aren’t you interested in understanding these matters, or do you already understand?

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #43
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 3072 posts in this forum Offline

richard head wrote:
If you are suggesting something other than the path of knowledge/information exchange with this communication mechanism, carry on.

You've told us so many times that you feel these discussions are a waste of time...yet you're still here. For entertainment? Or what?

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #44
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 4914 posts in this forum Offline

richard head wrote:
Sorry Dan, you/we are on our own. Seeking companionship on your journey of discovery is the same old worn out failed path of knowledge/comfort/security. We/you have to stop that.

Dick, you don't mind if I call you Dick do you? Anyway Dick what is the "same old worn out failed path of knowledge/comfort/security" is someone coming onto this forum who thinks only he knows and is here to straighten the rest of us out and put us on "the right path".

That approach hasn't ended well for others on here who have tried it. I strongly suggest you try another approach without the arrogance, rudeness and sarcasm which seems to be imbedded in your present communications.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #45
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 3072 posts in this forum Offline

Huguette . wrote:
superciliousness

I had to look that one up: Supercilious definition... haughtily disdainful or contemptuous. Maybe 'above it all' would fit too.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #46
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Huguette . wrote:
Is the division between us really the “beauty” of mind control to you,

I was referring to the "system" that hides in plain sight and works like a Swiss watch, perfectly. Not the consequences of the system. So, you have misunderstood what was posted and got 3 recommendations, bravo. You must look beyond definitions (How you define the word beauty, for instance) and insult (how you feel when reading my posts) to find something when using words/knowledge.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #47
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
You've told us so many times that you feel these discussions are a waste of time...

True or not, why do you have a problem hearing that?

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #48
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
coming onto this forum who thinks only he knows and is here to straighten the rest of us out and put us on "the right path".

Like you are doing right here?

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #49
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
I strongly suggest you try another approach

And I suggest you try another approach. Bullying others to conform to the flow worked to get rid of Jean, but it won't work in my case.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #50
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
Maybe 'above it all' would fit too.

Quite well, in fact.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #51
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
you don't mind if I call you Dick do you?

Don't mind at all. All my ex's call me dick head, so you might as well also.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #52
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Huguette . wrote:
Aren’t you interested in understanding these matters, or do you already understand?

Where do I ever repeat speculative imagination/intellectual in the guise of understanding (which would indicate I know, and I'm going to tell you all about it)? Many here frequently play knowledge/information/opinion "ping-pong". Back and forth, back and forth with our opinions. Then. when someone comes along and indicates the futility of such activity (like K frequently did), the participants become enraged and spew forth all sorts of nonsense. Like the last several responses to the little posts I make.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #53
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
arrogance, rudeness and sarcasm

If this is what you feel when reading my posts, look within grasshopper.

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Mon, 31 Jul 2017 #54
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
That approach hasn't ended well for others

Yes, I remember some years back that fellow randalp was tarred and feathered by gangsters here at Kinfonet. Please describe the satisfaction within the "lynch mob" mentality, the ultimate "us/them" interaction eh? Tell us how you felt when Jean was banned.

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Tue, 01 Aug 2017 #55
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 4914 posts in this forum Offline

richard head wrote:
Like you are doing right here?

No, I am just making an observation that seems to have a consensus on this thread. The fact that you feel compelled to defend yourself to two or three others on this thread seems to validate that opinion.

richard head wrote:
All my ex's

All of your ex's? That might be telling you something if you listen close enough.

richard head wrote:
Bullying others to conform to the flow worked to get rid of Jean, but it won't work in my case.

Why is what I'm doing bullying and what you are doing is merely constructive criticism? And I didn't get Jean thrown off here, although I certainly tried. Jean got himself thrown off here all by himself. Now I'm beginning to wonder if Jean has returned.

The point is Richard that you are giving instruction to everyone on how they should see things, or react to things. And the way you're doing sometimes is abrasive and haughty. I'm not the only person who is objecting to your communication style or it's content.

You often come across like you know what K was saying and you are correcting others to conform to that opinion.

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Tue, 01 Aug 2017 #56
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 4914 posts in this forum Offline

Let's not start a feud but rather find a way to communicate. Whatever happens I'm not going to spend the time and energy that I did with Jean. I don't care that much one way or the other. Anyway I'm busy with several other more important things right now. Just keep it friendly and not strident or authoritative. No one is an authority on K here or anywhere else. Become an authority on yourself and how your mind functions and how your conditioning is being expressed.

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Tue, 01 Aug 2017 #57
Thumb_img_0244 Jack Pine United States 4914 posts in this forum Offline

richard head wrote:
Yes, I remember some years back that fellow randalp was tarred and feathered by gangsters here at Kinfonet. Please describe the satisfaction within the "lynch mob" mentality, the ultimate "us/them"

You're preaching again. And the only Randall I know or have ever known on this forum spells his name as I just have and I consider him a friendly acquaintance. Why are you so angry? And why come here to express it?

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Tue, 01 Aug 2017 #58
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
The fact that you feel compelled to defend yourself

All I am doing is pointing to the fallacy of the responses to the things I post.

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Tue, 01 Aug 2017 #59
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
That might be telling you something if you listen close enough.

Angry women and posters at Kinfonet are among the things I don't take personally.

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Tue, 01 Aug 2017 #60
Thumb_3740 richard head United States 245 posts in this forum Offline

Jack Pine wrote:
Let's not start a feud but rather find a way to communicate.

We both speak English. In areas where communication is an effective tool, most have no problems. The areas where communication feels difficult, seem to be the same ones, over and over.

When I watch some ants, I see scouts dancing and singing then suddenly the whole hive knows where the sugar is. Very effective communication. My cat tells me very clearly when she needs to poop. Information exchange works well here also. Now look at how many people promote this communication thing here at Kinfonet. What does K say about this use of knowledge? He generally uses the word communion when he points to the futility of using knowledge/information/communication when we are looking into human psychological issues.

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