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The paradox of the "active mind"


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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #1
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

From Krishnamurti Quote of the Day

Commentaries On Living Series II | Chapter 45 'Help'

"This preoccupation with the body prevents adaptablity to the present... There is a vast difference between a preoccupied mind and an active mind. An active mind is silent, aware, choiceless."

An "active mind is silent" ? But then this "active mind" is 'inactive', right ?

Is this a paradox ?

Why resist 'what is' ?

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #2
Thumb_avatar david sharma Ireland 274 posts in this forum Offline

Choice less means no movement of time , as self , , a choice less active mind is not caring froward in time not becoming so inactive in time

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #3
Thumb_avatar david sharma Ireland 274 posts in this forum Offline

Jean sir the real difficulties with mind of man is time as past becoming, ,it is held in past yet wants to be active in future

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #4
Thumb_avatar david sharma Ireland 274 posts in this forum Offline

This is whole life of man , he wants to end Conflict with self as time , he can never do that this self wants to live a whole life with fragments, this is paradox , he wants to end time with time in time

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #5
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

david sharma wrote:
Choice less means no movement of time , as self , , a choice less active mind is not caring froward in time not becoming so inactive in time

This does not clarify the apparent paradox: how can a 'silent mind' be an 'active mind' ?

What does K mean by 'active mind' exactly ?

??

Why resist 'what is' ?

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #6
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 3169 posts in this forum Offline

Jean Gatti wrote:
What does K mean by 'active mind' exactly ?

Moving with 'what is'....with non fragmented awareness.

Let it Be

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #7
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

Tom Paine wrote:
Moving with 'what is'....with non fragmented awareness.

Which means that thought is the opposite of 'what is', right ? Thought is a resistance to 'what is' ... self defending itself ("preoccupied") and resisting ... therefore only a silent mind can move with 'what is' ... which also means 'intelligence' ...

In a number of talks K equates 'mind' with 'intelligence' ... therefore the statement above "An active mind is silent, aware, choiceless" can be read as : intelligence can only be 'active' when mind is freed from thought process ... ie. a silent mind

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #8
Thumb_basquiat-boom-for-real-feature-001 Katy Alias United Kingdom 347 posts in this forum Offline

...A mind which is preoccupied, though, is also choicelessly so -usually. K's mind was preoccupied in that sense with whatever it was that he wanted to say or to convey - just as anyone else's is when in conversation.

A 'silent mind', cannot (by definition) simultaneously be under occupation by the noise of words/thought.

This writer finds that thought dissipates/peters out if I go for a long walk - just as I did earlier.

Walking is man's best medicine Hippocrates (probably my favourite saying !)

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Sat, 01 Oct 2016 #9
Thumb_donna_and_jim_fb_bw Tom Paine United States 3169 posts in this forum Offline

Jean Gatti wrote:
Which means that thought is the opposite of 'what is', right ?

Not sure opposite is the correct word, but thought for sure divides from what is....obscures what is....is in conflict with what is.

Let it Be

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Sun, 02 Oct 2016 #10
Thumb_stringio Mina Martini Finland 749 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Jean Gatti wrote:
"This preoccupation with the body prevents adaptablity to the present... There is a vast difference between a preoccupied mind and an active mind. An active mind is silent, aware, choiceless."

mina: Nice to meet you Jean...:-)

Here it is clear that by the words 'active mind', (since it is used to mean a silent, aware, choiceless mind), K talks about a mind that is inactive when it comes to preoccupation, which is the same as highly active, alert, aware, choiceless..all these words really describing energy without a centre.

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Sun, 02 Oct 2016 #11
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

Mina Martini wrote:
Here it is clear that by the words 'active mind', (since it is used to mean a silent, aware, choiceless mind), K talks about a mind that is inactive when it comes to preoccupation, which is the same as highly active, alert, aware, choiceless..all these words really describing energy without a centre.

Hello Mina, good to hear from you again in this forum :-)

In a number of instances K said that the essence of mind is 'intelligence' (and 'compassion' too) ... therefore when mind is cluttered with 'preoccupations' (ie. thoughts), intelligence is 'obscured' and cannot be 'active' ...

Why resist 'what is' ?

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Sun, 02 Oct 2016 #12
Thumb_stringio Mina Martini Finland 749 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

The essence of the mind is compassion, intelligence, yes.

Was just writing on the quiet space, how the phrase 'an empty mind and a full heart' does not really mean two separate things, but one.

The essence is only one, and that essence is compassion, love, intelligence, 'heart', emptiness, fullness, awareness, call it what you want...it will forever be out of the reach of any word..

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Sun, 02 Oct 2016 #13
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

Mina Martini wrote:
Was just writing on the quiet space, how the phrase 'an empty mind and a full heart' does not really mean two separate things, but one.

Yes dear Mina, the silence of mind allows the shining of intelligence ... thoughts are like clouds obscuring intelligence ... this is probably what K means by "active mind" ie. the awakening of intelligence ... which is also the 'opening' of the heart ...

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