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The brain has nothing to do with the mind?


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Sat, 19 Mar 2016 #151
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

max greene wrote:
It is when one thinks he is observing that there is separation.

Yes, in other words as soon as you 'label' what you see, as soon as you give a 'name' to it ... which is the essence of thought: the 'word'.

The 'word' gives a permanence to an 'object', it can even be said that the word 'creates' the object, it gives this object a 'life in itself', an autonomy, an independance ...

Why resist 'what is' ?

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Sat, 19 Mar 2016 #152
Thumb_original_avatar max greene United States 5845 posts in this forum Offline

Jean,

As I see it, awareness creates. The instant of awareness is the instant of creation. The present, with love and awareness, unfolds on this instant -- and so we have evolution, always the present, always the new.

max

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Sat, 19 Mar 2016 #153
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

max greene wrote:
As I see it, awareness creates. The instant of awareness is the instant of creation.

In any case awareness is always involved as nothing happens outside awareness, not even thought ... there must be some awareness in order to 'think' ...

Of course what is called 'creativity' cannot come from thought, because thought is the past and cannot create the 'new' ... what thought 'creates' is a world made of 'continuity' (ie. permanence, or rather an illusion of permanence), reproducing past behaviours through the use of words (which 'encapsulate' frozen properties and behaviours of objects) ... when we see a 'cat' we expect the cat to behave as a cat and we know the cat is not going to bark like a dog ...

Why resist 'what is' ?

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Sun, 20 Mar 2016 #154
Thumb_farside0411 m christani United States 262 posts in this forum Offline

Jean Gatti wrote:
Of course what is called 'creativity' cannot come from thought, because thought is the past and cannot create the 'new' ... what thought 'creates' is a world made of 'continuity' (ie. permanence, or rather an illusion of permanence), reproducing past behaviours through the use of words (which 'encapsulate' frozen properties and behaviours of objects) ... when we see a 'cat' we expect the cat to behave as a cat and we know the cat is not going to bark like a dog ...

Right, knowledge is always, and belongs only, in the outer. To know a cat doesn't (usually) bark, to know the road home, or to Boston, or how to arc weld- etc. Knowledge psychologically is very very limiting, as it "encapsulates frozen properties" as you say, and prevents creation and the new. It's funny that we know this, yet always deal with ourselves as knowledge, however stale and weary. It's limiting and brings such sorrow, but we continue with it, day after day. I suppose it feels safe.

mike

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Sun, 20 Mar 2016 #155
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

m christani wrote:
I suppose it feels safe.

Yes indeed, we feel safe in a world of 'continuity' ... we want control, we want to know what happens ...

Interesting to read to quote of the day:

"That which has continuity cannot possibly be innocent."

Why resist 'what is' ?

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Mon, 21 Mar 2016 #156
Thumb_farside0411 m christani United States 262 posts in this forum Offline

"If there is no continuity what is there? There is nothing. One is afraid to be nothing. Nothing means not a thing - nothing put together by thought, nothing put together by memory, remembrances, nothing that you can put into words and then measure. There is most certainly, definitely, an area where the past doesn't cast a shadow, where time, the past or the future or the present, has no meaning. We have always tried to measure with words something that we don't know. What we do not know we try to understand and give it words and make it into a continuous noise. And so we clog our brain which is already clogged with past events, experiences, knowledge. We think knowledge is psychologically of great importance, but it is not. You can't ascend through knowledge; there must be an end to knowledge for the new to be. New is a word for something which has never been before. And that area cannot be understood or grasped by words or symbols: it is there beyond all remembrances. "

-K to Himself

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Mon, 21 Mar 2016 #157
Thumb_avatar Peter Kesting United States 1228 posts in this forum Offline

"That which has continuity cannot possibly be innocent."

Yes.

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