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About the unconscious mind......Revisited


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Tue, 16 Feb 2016 #121
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

natarajan shivan wrote:
What is the state in which a question remains unanswered?

Emptiness.

or

a fool who does not understand anything

Both look to be same, but one is beyond another is behind.

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Tue, 16 Feb 2016 #122
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

max greene wrote:
Yes, and another question remains as well: How is it possible for thought to be aware?

A distinction very clearly is made in above quote of k.

Thought that arises from emptiness is aware of itself and thought that arises from memory is not.This means memory is always of a particular and thus a thought arising from it will be particular hence limited.

A thought arising from emptiness is awareness itself though arising from memory but that memory is not particular.

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Tue, 16 Feb 2016 #123
Thumb_avatar P Sylvan United Kingdom 309 posts in this forum Offline

P Sylvan wrote:

So our question remains: “can thought be aware of itself?”

natarajan shivan wrote:

What is the state in which a question remains unanswered?

Listening

In the spirit of dialogue

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Tue, 16 Feb 2016 #124
Thumb_avatar P Sylvan United Kingdom 309 posts in this forum Offline

P Sylvan wrote :

So our question remains: “can thought be aware of itself?”

Max Greene wrote:
Yes, and another question remains as well: How is it possible for thought to be aware?

Hello Max,

What would be our approach to this question?

In the spirit of dialogue

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Tue, 16 Feb 2016 #125
Thumb_original_avatar max greene United States 5845 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
Thought that arises from emptiness is aware of itself . . .

But is it possible for thought to arise from emptiness? There is always motivation and purpose behind thinking and thought.

max

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Tue, 16 Feb 2016 #126
Thumb_original_avatar max greene United States 5845 posts in this forum Offline

Paul,

See my preceding post 125.I would say that thought is tied to memory, motivation and thinker.

max

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Tue, 16 Feb 2016 #127
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

P Sylvan wrote:
Listening

Seeing,tasting,touching, smelling and what you say above .

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Wed, 17 Feb 2016 #128
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

max greene wrote:
But is it possible for thought to arise from emptiness? There is always motivation and purpose behind thinking and thought.

What is the purpose and motivation when sound emerges from an empty drum when struck?

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Wed, 17 Feb 2016 #129
Thumb_avatar P Sylvan United Kingdom 309 posts in this forum Offline

P Sylvan wrote:

Listening

Ravi Seth wrote:

Seeing,tasting,touching, smelling and what you say above .

Hello Ravi,

I meant 'Listening' as in a 'State of Listening'.

In the spirit of dialogue

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Wed, 17 Feb 2016 #130
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

P Sylvan wrote:
Hello Ravi,

I meant 'Listening' as in a 'State of Listening'.

That was a partial answer to describe that state .

Only in the state where all sense organs including thinking are simultaneously working and hence 'Empty' ( empty also means puranta [Hindi word]or that where there is nothing more) can point out to that state.

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Wed, 17 Feb 2016 #131
Thumb_leaping_fire_frog_by_sirenofchaos natarajan shivan India 87 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
Emptiness.

P Sylvan wrote:
Listening

Yes, but the state of freedom being pointed out thus, using these words, is incomplete without the U-turn of it as responsibility in action, and it is IN such actions that the questions are answered. To put it bluntly, it is a sense of false freedom which sustains a question as unanswered.

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Wed, 17 Feb 2016 #132
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

natarajan shivan wrote:
it is a sense of false freedom which sustains a question as unanswered

Aacademically raised questions are replied academically.

Raise a real question.

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Wed, 17 Feb 2016 #133
Thumb_leaping_fire_frog_by_sirenofchaos natarajan shivan India 87 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
Aacademically raised questions are replied academically.

Raise a real question.

Real question finds it's answer only in action is what is pointed out.

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Wed, 17 Feb 2016 #134
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

natarajan shivan wrote:
Real question finds it's answer only in action is what is pointed out.

Thanks

You are generous and Magnanimous.

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Thu, 18 Feb 2016 #135
Thumb_dm Dan McDermott United States 1432 posts in this forum Offline

I have a question that is somewhat (or greatly) off the subject but since it arose in pondering thought/awareness, perhaps someone can tell me what they know about it: What happens to a 'photon' once it 'reaches' earth from the sun and I 'see' it? Does it keep on moving? Does it have a 'lifespan? I have read that after many,many years of making its way to the surface of the sun and 'escaping' into space, it takes 8 minutes to reach my eye. This arose in thinking about 'awareness' and comparing it to 'light' (invisible until it 'illuminates' something?) and also somehow 'the gap between thoughts' (and how 'thought' is unable by its nature to discover it)....Anyway I wonder, if my 'model' is not too laughable, does anyone wish to respond and of course if possible, bring it into relevance (if there is any)with K.'s ideas.

This may be all wrong of course

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