Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening
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Fri, 12 Jul 2013 #1
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Question: I find a regular group that meets to discuss your teachings tends to become confusing and boring. Is it better to think over these things alone, or with others?

J. Krishnamurti: What is important? To find out, is it not, to discover for yourself the things about yourself. If that is your urgent, immediate, instinctive necessity, then you can do it with one or with many, by yourself or with two or three. But when that is lacking, then groups become boring things. Then people who come to the groups are dominated by one or two in the group who know everything, who are in immediate contact with the person who has already said these things. So, the one becomes the authority and gradually exploits the many. We know this too familiar game. But people submit to it because they like being together. They like to talk, to have the latest gossip or the latest news. And so, the thing soon deteriorates. You start with a serious intention, and it becomes something ugly.

But if we are really, insistently needing to discover for ourselves what is true, then all relationship becomes important; but such people are rare. Because, we are not really serious, and so we eventually make of groups and organizations something to be avoided. So it surely depends, does it not, on whether you are really earnest to discover these things for yourself? And this discovery can come at any moment - not only in a group, or only when you are by yourself, but at any moment when you are aware, sensitive to the intimations of your own being. To watch yourself - the way you talk at table, the way you talk to your neighbour, your servant, your boss - surely all these, if one is aware, indicate the state of your own being.

And it is that discovery which is important.

Because it is that discovery which liberates.

I don't know

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Sat, 13 Jul 2013 #2
Thumb_original_avatar max greene United States 5845 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
So it surely depends, does it not, on whether you are really earnest to discover these things for yourself?

Thanks for the post, dhirendra. It's almost painful to read it!

max

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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 #3
Thumb_img_7089_copy Eve G. Indonesia 1570 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
Because it is that discovery which liberates.

....thanks Dhi and Max. The discovery is about oneself and as Max said it is painful. The propensity here is to tell everyone else what is wrong with them instead of learning about ourselves.

The nature of the change from disorder is silence.

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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 #4
Thumb_stringio anish leh United States 474 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Eve G. wrote:
The propensity here is to tell everyone else what is wrong with them instead of learning about ourselves.

Most people posting on kinfonet are using intellectualizing (analyzing and discussing) for ignoring what is feared. That's OK but it won't help. :)

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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 #5
Thumb_stringio anish leh United States 474 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

OK

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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 #6
Thumb_basquiat-boom-for-real-feature-001 Katy Alias United Kingdom 347 posts in this forum Offline

Very pertinent quote, Dhirendra... Thanks

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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 #7
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
but such people are rare. Because, we are not really serious,

Bummer for us.

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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 #8
Thumb_img_7089_copy Eve G. Indonesia 1570 posts in this forum Offline

Arivalagan S wrote:
How wonderful! Did you do it?

Did it? or doing it?

The nature of the change from disorder is silence.

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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 #9
Thumb_2564 Satya Prakash India 528 posts in this forum Offline

max greene wrote:
It's almost painful to read it!

Why so, Max?

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