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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #1
Thumb_patricia_may_2014_reduced_ Patricia Hemingway Australia 1929 posts in this forum Offline

Katy wrote the following and then closed the topic to prevent anyone responding:

"Why do the people engaging in bullying tactics here and psychological violence think that some members have been sent over the edge/mad?

Also, I was told that one woman committed suicide years ago because of this forum.

In the light of this appalling record/history why was this place not closed down?"

The above deserves a response.

Firstly - no-one commits suicide because of a forum, but because of the life lived, and the overall inability to deal with it. Any K forum - I suggest - would be a very small part of the general frustration experienced - and it is most misleading to imply otherwise.

Secondly - if Katy is unhappy with the forum, that's fine - stay away.

To demand the forum's closure for reason of one's own discontent with it is a somewhat pathetic attempt at authoritative and punitive revenge for what the self cannot handle. Far better to just get over it and move on.

And - if one insists upon venting anger in the manner quoted, at least allow the right of reply. Closing down the thread to prevent this occurring is really not a good look.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #2
Thumb_baboon-9186 dave h United Kingdom 1165 posts in this forum Offline

As you can imagine the suicide incident was complex and there was a battle over who was/wasn't responsible. Perhaps Ken can comment on this. I think it was Isabel.

The wider and more important issue of course is about whether we are responsible for each other or only our selves.

Incidentally K has said we are not each others keeper, and also that we are each others keeper.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #3
Thumb_baboon-9186 dave h United Kingdom 1165 posts in this forum Offline

DB: So we say the world of society, of human beings, is one and when I say I am that world, what does that mean?

JK: The world is not different from me.

DB: The world and I are one - right? We are inseparable.

JK: Yes. And that requires - that is real meditation, you must feel this, not just verbal statement, it is an actuality. I am my brother's keeper.

DB: Yes, now many religions have said that.

JK: That is just a verbal statement and they don't keep it, they don't do it in their hearts.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #4
Thumb_patricia_may_2014_reduced_ Patricia Hemingway Australia 1929 posts in this forum Offline

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
Close Kinfonet !'

Move on Katy.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #5
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #6
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
Move on Katy.

Yes by all means ..move on...it is like t.v. the offended party need not participate..if that is their choice,,change the channel...

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #7
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

As everyone already knows, Katy's problems have nothing to do with what transpires on this forum.

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #8
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
I am happily on the 'outside' now

So you think..well..bye bye then!:)

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #9
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
Participate in what, Rick ?

Psychobullying? No thanks, no way, no more Jose...Dodgy cults need to be exposed.

And yet...your behavior speaks otherwise..LOL!:)

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #10
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
And your lunacy derives from where else Dean/Martin Van der Tak ?

'Dean R. Smith' is the only name that's ever been used on this forum by the person who is hunting and pecking at this moment. :)

What you are doing is called 'participating'.

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #11
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
All you do is enjoy bullying others...people on the outside of your cult call you, Rick, Jack, Dean and Eve, the 'foul four' !

Liar, liar! You're making things up.

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
Were you around when the lady committed suicide ?

No. What about it?

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #12
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
Close Kinfonet !

Close Katy!:(

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #13
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
I was told that you also write as Martin Van der Tak.

You were lied too!

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #14
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
I will pray for you. Goodbye, katy

Oh, thank you. That's so meaningless. :)

P.S. You don't have to end your posts with 'katy'. We know who the post is from, because to the left of it, there's the avatar of the poster with their name under it. :)

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #15
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
Don't tell me what to do, Dean.

"You don't have to" is not a command.

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #16
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Katy, hope you are enjoying your run:-) just to share a fact, Van dar is not dean, because I know for sure who he/she is.
Katy, here people are fighting from years, so they are immune from it, but you, who is not use to with such situation, and is sensitive, definitely will feel disturbed. I think, this is not wise to invite disturbance again and again:-)

I don't know

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #17
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
My sanity also did leave me temporarily because of the psychological violence here.

I would like to address this point but I am neither attacking nor defending your main points. I'm sorry madam but sanity is not something that comes and goes due to people saying stuff to you, this is your imagination telling you this. Either you are insane, or you are not. I had an aunt who, when on her medication was a functional human entity, when off the medication she was a raving psycho lunetic.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #18
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
How about you?

I don't define myself either.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #19
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Dean Martin was a really good singer. Didn't you say that you weren't going to post anymore?

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #20
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Dean R. Smith wrote:
Didn't you say that you weren't going to post anymore?

Well..Yes!..but..but...but?:)

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #21
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
What do you gain from being so aggressive, Dean ?
I suppose your behaviour here is dyed in the wool so there is no point in pressing any of your or Martin Van Der Tak's buttons...Maybe this is a rumour being spread about you ? If so, why ? The facebook page of Martin Van Der Tak has disturbing photographs on it.
I will answer people's questions put to me on this until the thread fizzles out.
Katy

You're a nutburger, Paul. No more time will be wasted on you.

Dean. :)

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #22
Thumb_basquiat-boom-for-real-feature-001 Katy Alias United Kingdom 347 posts in this forum Offline

Patricia,

I won't write any more here because all that happens on the part of Rick and Dean is mobbing really and that isn't progressive. Now you can see why I didn't really wish to 'discuss' this. Discussion isn't possible with people who are locked or lost in or by a reaction.

Please ask Dean to take up his argument with Paul directly.

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see/read that I am not Paul.

Remember, too, that I have been fooled by the actors here - not just y'all. Kinfonetians have been fighting for years as Dhirendra pointed out.

I suppose you feel territorial or something. I don't know.

I have also happily let go of the 'fooling'/delusory elements of K.
I haven't thrown out the baby with the bath water. There's truth in what everyone has to say in and about life. I respect that for some K was/is the best guide.

Kinfonet was really a regrettable ordeal for me and as I have said before this forum corrupted the good that I once saw in K's writing.

There is no gain in bullying other people or anything good about illusion and brainwashing.

There is nothing good about ignoring blatant and ongoing bullying either. You have shown yourselves up, haven't you, because as soon as Nick and then Paul were gone you mobbed Randal.

Jack, Dean, Rick and Eve are consciously or unconsciously 'behaving' as a mob.

No more to say about this and I will ignore any further 'provocative' remarks.

Let them talk; talk don't bother me...

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #23
Thumb_stringio B Teulada Portugal 388 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
won't write anymore here.

this is not even dej√° vu any more.
more like a very, very broken record.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #24
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
as soon as Nick and then Paul were gone you mobbed Randal.

But before they mobbed/packed nick/lidlo and paul/and various sock puppets, and then mobbed me, they mobbed me.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #25
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
Yours and Dean's double act isn't funny at all. It is sad.

You mean rick, is really jerry lewis? Martin and lewis, I get it!

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #26
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
Do you know the meaning of the word schadenfreude ?

I've heard about them German "shizer" videos.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #27
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Alias 2 wrote:
People engaging in bullying others are just not happy people.

there seems to be no such phenomenon as "happy people". Just unhappy people engaging in activities that bring pleasure to compensate for the lack of happiness. Bullying is just one of many.

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Sun, 09 Jun 2013 #28
Thumb_stringio randal patrick United States 3155 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Dean R. Smith wrote:
You're a nutburger,

Please name one person on Kinfonet, who is not a nutburger.

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Mon, 10 Jun 2013 #29
Thumb_stringio Dean R. Smith Canada 1145 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

randal patrick wrote:
Please name one person on Kinfonet, who is not a nutburger.

People with multiple alternate accounts, one of which is a pretense to be a mentally disturbed female, is a super jumbo all dressed nutburger.

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

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Mon, 10 Jun 2013 #30
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Dean R. Smith wrote:
People with multiple alternate accounts, one of which is a pretense to be a mentally disturbed female, is a super jumbo all dressed nutburger.
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